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2008 Presidential Candidates  

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  1. 1. Who do you like so farin pres. race?

    • John McCain
      9
    • Joe Biden
      1
    • Rudy Guliani
      9
    • Hillary Clinton
      38
    • Mike Huckabee
      5
    • Chris Dodd
      0
    • Duncan Hunter
      1
    • John Edwards
      0
    • Alan Keys
      0
    • Mike Gravel
      1
    • Ron Paul
      18
    • Dennis Kucinich
      2
    • Mitt Romney
      3
    • Barrack Obama
      33
    • Tom Tancredo
      1
    • Bill Richardson
      0
    • Fred Thompson
      4
    • None of the Above
      28


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Do you know what kind of economical system they have in China?

I'm pretty sure they call themselves a free market but everything is still run by the communist party.

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All politicians are liars anyway. Don't matter who I vote for. My vote didn't count last two elections since I always voted Not Bush!. I might vote for Hillary just cause she's a chick or Obama cause he's handsome (For a politician anyway!). And that kid who made the remark about homeless people being lazy was very rude and close minded. Hit close to home for me so I was irked when I read that statement. Anyways voting is just trying to pick the lesser of two evils. I doubt any politician cares about, mine or what we need or want. I will vote just for the fun of it. Sorta like gambling...

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I'm pretty sure they call themselves a free market but everything is still run by the communist party.

Is you head so god damn thick that you still do not understand the difference between economy types and government types???

You are starting to really piss me off with your ignorance, especially since you think you are so superior that you insult others who point out your mistake! How about you fucking google "capitalism" and see what it means??

 

I might vote for Hillary just cause she's a chick or Obama cause he's handsome (For a politician anyway!).

Best reason to vote!

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I am done arguing this topic. Our system must be the best and the only righteous choice, because it is ours and there is no way it could be flawed. We should force all other nations to conform our way of thinking or declare war on them and fight untill all dissenters are dead. R.I.P. habeus corpus. My only hope is that 4 men in black suits come to my house armed to the teeth with a sheet of wool embalzoned with the image of the anglo-saxon jesus to pull over my eyes to I can think properly, which is to say: not think

 

 

And in response to sweatea: definetly vote image!

 

And could someone get those scientists to stop trying to trick me into thinking there is such a thing as global warming? Maybe they could convice the 40% of the remaining arctic ice too

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I'm pretty sure they call themselves a free market but everything is still run by the communist party.

Is you head so god damn thick that you still do not understand the difference between economy types and government types???

You are starting to really piss me off with your ignorance, especially since you think you are so superior that you insult others who point out your mistake! How about you fucking google "capitalism" and see what it means??

 

I might vote for Hillary just cause she's a chick or Obama cause he's handsome (For a politician anyway!).

Best reason to vote!

OK, continue attacking my language cuz i guess u have no more political firepower to throw at me.

 

Everyone knows what capitalism is, call it what you want.

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Tom Tancredo Ftw! :D

 

Why, so he will bomb Mecca?

You know, with that attitude, no wonder people over there are willing to give their lives in terrorist attacks on US soil.

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Everyone knows what capitalism is, call it what you want.

 

Explain why the word capitalism cannot possibly be a "form of government..."

 

LOL. 17 yr old. I'll call my professors at the uni I attended 10 years ago and let them know this

news. I sure my econ and poli sci prof will tear up their degrees.

 

Ok here it goes.

 

Capitalism is an economic system. Economic systems are an attribute of government.

Simply a economic system is how you buy and sell things. Capitalism does not create laws, it doesn't

manage infrastructure, etc.

 

(Capitalism is the evolution of mercantilism: buying goods at a lower price and selling for profit.)

 

So a "form of government" is a system that in fact "governs" a society. Anarchism, Oligarchy,

Democracy are government forms. (With a ton of subversions like dictatorship = form of Oligarchy)

 

But these are economic systems.

 

Socialism

"the distribution of income are subject to social control rather than individual determination or market forces"

 

Capitalism

Capitalism is the evolution of mercantilism: buying goods at a lower price and selling for profit. The prices

and entire structure is determined by the market.

 

If you look with Oligarchies, its a pretty one sided economic system that form of government uses. The top

elite get all the wealth and the people are force to make the wealth. Sometimes Capitalism and Socialism are

masks that oligarchies wear in order to fool people into believing the wealth is distributed.

 

And the fact you are arguing with a man nearly 2x your age. and has lived in multiple countries with

nearly mirror opposite systems (at the time) is beyond me. AT 17 you cannot have your own views

because you haven't lived long enough to form them. You are only repeating the views of your parents

most likely. When kids claim to have 'their own views" and argue against it, its the opposite views of their

parents in order to rebel.

 

But I imagine I was opinionated and dumb at your age too.

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if it is then who cares who the nxt president is, cannot be any worse or any more retarded :o

If I had to vote between Bush and Hillary, or Bush and Giuliani, I'd vote for Bush.

:P

Entropy, I respect you. You make a nice game. But. Really.

I'm not going to vote in your poll because I'm not going to be the one to feed this monster (known as the Fluffy Political Debate). However, if you want to enjoy political argument of a high quality -- or if you want to know why you shouldn't start threads like this, go here:

 

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1227

 

 

:) TY for link

Just read Ron Paul's ideas on Immigration http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-s...gration-reform/ not entirely pleased... maybe he should listen to Smokeyd

 

They are not evil, they are just brown. I know its hard to tell the difference sometimes.

 

then I realised where Paul was from...

 

and as for paul do we really want another texan in office... 3rd times a charm?

 

... Texans never forgave us for the Alamo :hehe:

 

Ok, so then what if China sends the native indians some nukes so that they can reclaim their rightfully owned land? Would you be pro that?

 

(looks up Chinese Embassy #....just in case Paul wins) Just for clarification, 100% Mexican with American Citizenship, Retired U.S.A.F and I belive the MinuteMen are not the answer on the U.S./Mexico border.

 

edit = got to go pick some melons now, but I will revisit this thread later today :w00t:

Edited by pepperspray

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Everyone knows what capitalism is, call it what you want.

 

Explain why the word capitalism cannot possibly be a "form of government..."

 

LOL. 17 yr old. I'll call my professors at the uni I attended 10 years ago and let them know this

news. I sure my econ and poli sci prof will tear up their degrees.

 

Ok here it goes.

 

Capitalism is an economic system. Economic systems are an attribute of government.

Simply a economic system is how you buy and sell things. Capitalism does not create laws, it doesn't

manage infrastructure, etc.

 

(Capitalism is the evolution of mercantilism: buying goods at a lower price and selling for profit.)

 

So a "form of government" is a system that in fact "governs" a society. Anarchism, Oligarchy,

Democracy are government forms. (With a ton of subversions like dictatorship = form of Oligarchy)

 

But these are economic systems.

 

Socialism

"the distribution of income are subject to social control rather than individual determination or market forces"

 

Capitalism

Capitalism is the evolution of mercantilism: buying goods at a lower price and selling for profit. The prices

and entire structure is determined by the market.

 

If you look with Oligarchies, its a pretty one sided economic system that form of government uses. The top

elite get all the wealth and the people are force to make the wealth. Sometimes Capitalism and Socialism are

masks that oligarchies wear in order to fool people into believing the wealth is distributed.

 

And the fact you are arguing with a man nearly 2x your age. and has lived in multiple countries with

nearly mirror opposite systems (at the time) is beyond me. AT 17 you cannot have your own views

because you haven't lived long enough to form them. You are only repeating the views of your parents

most likely. When kids claim to have 'their own views" and argue against it, its the opposite views of their

parents in order to rebel.

 

But I imagine I was opinionated and dumb at your age too.

No, capitalism can consist of political freedoms and civil rights, you are just defining it differently.

 

-and you still are stupid and opinionated.

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No, capitalism can consist of political freedoms and civil rights, you are just defining it differently.

 

-and you still are stupid and opinionated.

 

 

It cannot, IT IS completely independent of civil rights. It is a economic system, junior high school student, and I am not defining it, its the fucking definition. There is a reason a political science degree and economics degree are not the same THING. Your mommy and daddy's opinion are not the REAL political science definition.

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No, capitalism can consist of political freedoms and civil rights, you are just defining it differently.

 

-and you still are stupid and opinionated.

 

 

It cannot, IT IS completely independent of civil rights. It is a economic system, junior high school student, and I am not defining it, its the fucking definition. There is a reason a political science degree and economics degree are not the same THING. Your mommy and daddy's opinion are not the REAL political science definition.

mommy and daddy? You don't know me, don't try to attack my personal life, you have no idea what you are talking about. And WTF does a science degree have to do with politics anyway?

 

- And dont try and tell me that political and economic structures have nothing to do with each other, because they are DIRECTLY correlated.

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No, capitalism can consist of political freedoms and civil rights, you are just defining it differently.

 

-and you still are stupid and opinionated.

 

 

It cannot, IT IS completely independent of civil rights. It is a economic system, junior high school student, and I am not defining it, its the fucking definition. There is a reason a political science degree and economics degree are not the same THING. Your mommy and daddy's opinion are not the REAL political science definition.

mommy and daddy? You don't know me, don't try to attack my personal life, you have no idea what you are talking about. And WTF does a science degree have to do with politics anyway?

 

- And dont try and tell me that political and economic structures have nothing to do with each other, because they are DIRECTLY correlated.

Of course they are related, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing, if it did mean the same thing, then you would be your own grandmother, and that is totally illogical as we. I think this topic should be locked as it is right on the cusp of being a flame against SL7yz0r's ignorance. Science has everything to do with a politics when the NAME OF THE DEGREE is "POLITICAL SCIENCE". Gice him some time in college and hopefully he will learn a few things. or at last give him some time to read the portions of this thread that are not directly insulting to him. although its seems as the thread wears on he is more interested in arguing against the personal insults than the politics. I really did think i was done here

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No, capitalism can consist of political freedoms and civil rights, you are just defining it differently.

 

-and you still are stupid and opinionated.

 

 

It cannot, IT IS completely independent of civil rights. It is a economic system, junior high school student, and I am not defining it, its the fucking definition. There is a reason a political science degree and economics degree are not the same THING. Your mommy and daddy's opinion are not the REAL political science definition.

mommy and daddy? You don't know me, don't try to attack my personal life, you have no idea what you are talking about. And WTF does a science degree have to do with politics anyway?

 

- And dont try and tell me that political and economic structures have nothing to do with each other, because they are DIRECTLY correlated.

Of course they are related, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing, if it did mean the same thing, then you would be your own grandmother, and that is totally illogical as we. I think this topic should be locked as it is right on the cusp of being a flame against SL7yz0r's ignorance. Science has everything to do with a politics when the NAME OF THE DEGREE is "POLITICAL SCIENCE". Gice him some time in college and hopefully he will learn a few things. or at last give him some time to read the portions of this thread that are not directly insulting to him. although its seems as the thread wears on he is more interested in arguing against the personal insults than the politics. I really did think i was done here

OK, say political science then, because science degree and political science degree are totally different, and read my previous posts, i have responded to nearly all comments directed toward me that weren't personal insults. I don't appreciate people talking about my family when they have no clue what they are talking about. For example i don't live with either of my parents. And if i were completely ignorant, i don't think ent and several others would have spent there time debating with me over last several pages of this thread.

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Tom Tancredo Ftw! :hug:

 

Why, so he will bomb Mecca?

You know, with that attitude, no wonder people over there are willing to give their lives in terrorist attacks on US soil.

 

Just for the record, Im Dutch. Dont know most of those people on the list. And Im glad I dont have to vote on any of them.

 

Cause its one big muppetshow over in the US. Even worse of a muppetshow over here. :cry:

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@SL7yz0r

While I am pretty tollerant with people's various points of view (no one got banned form our forum for their political views), sometimes ignorance really pisses me off. 3 people older (and smarter) than you told you that capitalism is an economic, not politic system. Google will tell you the same, wikipedia will tell you the same, and so on. This is not something you debate or not, it's not a theory, it is the definition of the word, and that's it. I think you are trying just to troll here, and I don't like trolls. So if you want to argue that the capitalism is a political system, then you will have to come up with some refferences (links to serious, well respected sites that claim so). Just because you claim something doesn't make it right.

You are trying to change the definition of "white" from "being white" to "being tree". You can not do that, this is not how things work.

 

If you post here again without backing up your position with links, I am going to consider it trolling and ban you from the forums.

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@SL7yz0r

While I am pretty tollerant with people's various points of view (no one got banned form our forum for their political views), sometimes ignorance really pisses me off. 3 people older (and smarter) than you told you that capitalism is an economic, not politic system. Google will tell you the same, wikipedia will tell you the same, and so on. This is not something you debate or not, it's not a theory, it is the definition of the word, and that's it. I think you are trying just to troll here, and I don't like trolls. So if you want to argue that the capitalism is a political system, then you will have to come up with some refferences (links to serious, well respected sites that claim so). Just because you claim something doesn't make it right.

You are trying to change the definition of "white" from "being white" to "being tree". You can not do that, this is not how things work.

 

If you post here again without backing up your position with links, I am going to consider it trolling and ban you from the forums.

I don't know what trolling is, and i said it can consist of and is directly correlated to politics. Not that capitalism is strictly political. And are you going to ban robotbob for talking about my family without references? Like some links to well respected sites...

 

And here is link to a book you might want to read to learn about capitalism and politics. I only know of a few book sources but im gonna gonna spend my time searching for web pages.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Academic-Capitalism-...y/dp/0801862582

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Ok, I suspended Mr. SL7yz0r for 10 days from the forums. Making baseless accusations (accusing someone of insulting your familly, when he clearly didn't), calling people idiots, keeping ignoring basic word definitions and so on, that's not acceptable and is trolling. If you don't know what trolling is, google for it.

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:D kk, took a GOOD HARD LOOK at Ron Paul's co-authored H.R. 1146 & The Honest Money Act, H.R. 2779. :icon13: I'll admit I like what I read, but hell... let's be honest with ourselves, those two pieces of recently introduced legislation, have no chance against BIG BANKING LOBBIES. Add to that my increasing concerns about his stance on immigration issues and I just don't see me casting my vote on the man. Just being realistic. What the congressman does have going for him, is the potential to influence any debate he attends. I'll make a "Gentleman's Wager" of 1Kgc he won't last the first round of primaries... any takers?

 

edit #1 = typos

edit #2 = this link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7111602267.html

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Well I'm still not entirely sure who I will vote for, but I have to say

DEFINITELY not Ron Paul.

 

Sorry Ent

 

I agree with some of his policies, but only about 50%. Specifically I disagree with:

- Prohibiting the naturalization of children born by immigrants

- Prohibiting abortion, under any circumstances (and yes I know a mother who did die because her life was endangered, but didn't want to kill her child)

- His attacks on free trade

- Allowing guns in national parks and for pilots on airplanes

 

 

But I do like his ideas on a limited government, raising taxes, and a more isolated foreign policy.

 

 

And just a side note, from a comment made about 3 pages ago:

 

Most homeless people have some mental affliction that prevents them from operating in normal social standards. The key word here being "most."

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I agree with some of his policies, but only about 50%. Specifically I disagree with:

- Prohibiting the naturalization of children born by immigrants

What the fuck? He never proposed that. I want some of the stuff you are smoking.

 

- Prohibiting abortion, under any circumstances (and yes I know a mother who did die because her life was endangered, but didn't want to kill her child)

LOL. Where do you come up with this stuff??

 

- His attacks on free trade

Fair enough, if you don't give a fuck about the workers in your country.

 

- Allowing guns in national parks and for pilots on airplanes

And what's wrong with the airplane pilots having guns?

 

But I do like his ideas on a limited government, raising taxes, and a more isolated foreign policy.

Seriously, where the hell do you come up with this shit? When did he ever vote for rising taxes???

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For the abortion thing Slavia mentioned.. that is found here: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

 

For the naturalization thing.. it says

End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
. I think Slavia read it wrong.. because I took it as that if a pregnant woman cannot jump the border and have her child in order to make her child a citizen automatically. If anyone wants to become a citizen, they have to go through the process like everyone else.

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