2008 Presidential Candidates

[Euric]

voted ron paul, btw any of you seen the movie zeitgeist, what if its true the us govt was behind 911 and that that iraq war is lasting so long becuase the us govt and the bankers want to prolong the war? you guys heard about these? also what if at the moment the whole government is corrupt. how would someone fare like ron paul if he steps into one of the most corrupt governments if he can step in that is at all.. i dunno maybe im retarded.. if im retarded tell me

[Ateh]

Even though in this thread I said I havent ever and would never vote, after hearing what Ron Paul has to say he has changed my mind about voting.

 

Not that I can vote in an American election, but if this guy was running for Prime Minister in England, I would vote for him.

 

I dont know how , but Ron Paul has his finger RIGHT on the button and looks like he understands and is willing to fight for what truly makes a country able to call itself free.

 

He is truly amazing, you really should listen to what this guy is trying to tell you all.

 

And Euric, your not retarded - questioning why we are the way we are is one of the most intelligent things you can do , the sheeple who sit back and trust lie after lie are the ones who need a brain check my friend

[Scratch]

Then how about you do something about it?

 

I would if I could.

 

After having countless political discussions over the years with numberous people telling me they like my ideas & would vote for me if I ran for president, I decided to look into what it would take to get me on the national ballot. Each state has its own requirements to get you on the presidential ballot. Some states are fairly reasonable but others make it almost completely impossible unless you have a big bank and/or support of a gi-normous organization. That's why it has been since 1849 that a president was elected that was independant of the "two" parties.

 

We need someone on the inside to break from their party after they get elected & try to abolish the electoral college & set an easier to obtain national standard for getting on the presidential ballot. G/L with that because you would have to get it past the house & senate. They wouldn't want that because it would make it easier for you, me & Radu to get elected & ruin their partay at the taxpayers expense.

 

If you can think of a way to get me on the ballot of every state & a way to get the election laws changed without it bombing in the house & senate, I would be willing to put you on as vice-prez.

[SL7yz0r]

If we abolish the electoral college, this country will elect a liberal president every year, guaranteed. Then the farmers and entrepreneurs, etc, get screwed..

[Entropy]

If we abolish the electoral college, this country will elect a liberal president every year, guaranteed. Then the farmers and entrepreneurs, etc, get screwed..

 

Better than having to vote between Giuliani and Hillary.

[pepperspray]

 

And Ron Paul, isn't some puppet. He wants to bring this country back to constitutionalism with

less federal power and money, which will do anything BUT win votes. But what is good and

right for this country, he cares about.

 

 

hmmm so he votes no on this = http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296

I bring to your attention this passage "-Requires that the secretary of homeland security, in consultation with the secretary of state, determine that a country’s participation in the visa waiver program will not compromise the security and law enforcement interests of the United States, the country has cooperated with the U.S. Government in counter-terrorism initiatives, the country has demonstrated a continuing sustained reduction in the rate of visa refusals, and there is demonstrated a low visa overstay rate, before allowing its participation in the visa waiver program [Title VII (Sec. 711 [c])]."

... guess Ron Paul thinks the states can do a better job...

 

voted ron paul, ... how would someone fare like ron paul if he steps into one of the most corrupt governments if he can step in that is at all.. i dunno maybe im retarded.. if im retarded tell me

 

your not retarded, but if Ron Paul has his way, your kids may be... he voted no to the Head Start Program, not once http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296 but twice http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296 ...guess Ron Paul would fare pretty well if he could keep his constituents stupid

 

 

He is truly amazing, you really should listen to what this guy is trying to tell you all.

 

Ron Paul voted against increaseing the minimum wage standard not once http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296 ...yep, you guessed it, twice! http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296 ... guess he wants us stupid AND poor.

 

And Euric, your not retarded - questioning why we are the way we are is one of the most intelligent things you can do , the sheeple who sit back and trust lie after lie are the ones who need a brain check my friend

 

Frankly what troubles most about the man (besides his stand on immigration issues) is the fact that WITH HIS BACKGROUND IN MEDICINE he voted against stem cell research in 2005 http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296 and 2006 http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296 and again in 2007 http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296. Not to mention he wants doctors and hospitals to spy on patients http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296

[Entropy]

Not to mention he wants doctors and hospitals to spy on patients http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296

 

How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that he want doctors to spy on patients? Why in the fucking world would I want the government to pay for the medical cost of the illegal emigrants???

 

hmmm so he votes no on this = http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_de...&can_id=296

I bring to your attention this passage "-Requires that the secretary of homeland security, in consultation with the secretary of state, determine that a country’s participation in the visa waiver program will not compromise the security and law enforcement interests of the United States, the country has cooperated with the U.S. Government in counter-terrorism initiatives, the country has demonstrated a continuing sustained reduction in the rate of visa refusals, and there is demonstrated a low visa overstay rate, before allowing its participation in the visa waiver program [Title VII (Sec. 711 [c])]."

... guess Ron Paul thinks the states can do a better job...

 

And this is exactly why I totally support him. That bill has more provisions than the one you posted, you know?

[pepperspray]

um, from this mayb?

Project Vote Smart Synopsis:

Vote to pass a bill that would require hospitals to provide information on undocumented immigrants seeking emergency medical care.

...oh RIGHT, let's NOT treat them so whatever illness they have, can be spread throughout the general population what was I thinking. Hospitals don't get paid = people won't get treated. I can see it now, hotel maids transmitting TB or janitors passing on the latest flu. BTW emigrants are migrateing people within a certain region, iirc while immigrants usually are people who come to a country of which they are not a native, usually for permanent residence. I could be wrong. America was founded by illegal immigration. Again I could be wrong. Your correct though, there are more provisions Ron Paul voted against within the same Bill HR 1, as in "-Establishes the Urban Area Security Initiative to provide grants to assist high-risk urban areas in “preventing, preparing for, protecting against, and responding to acts of terrorism,” and authorizes $5.3 billion to be appropriated through fiscal year 2012 [Title I (Sec. 101)]". You think states have the wherewithall (5.3 BILLION?) to contain/deal with say a terrorists attack on any major city's water supply? More so than the Feds? I was stationed in the U.S. gulf coast and have seen what a hurricane will do to the price of bottled water. The states in charge? PLZ! I hope that some of us will pause and consider that, the next time they drink from a fountain or fill a glass at the sink.

Edited December 30, 2007 by pepperspray

[Ateh]

^^^ Im not american but I am a human, and as a human I hear the words of Ron Paul and I hear the words of a man who is calling out to the people and saying :

 

'' Your currently being screwed in a big way, I know because ive been watching it happen from inside the machine that is screwing you ''

 

Listen to the guy !

 

*edit * I bet George Carlin will be voting for Ron Paul to

Edited December 31, 2007 by Ateh

[Scratch]

If we abolish the electoral college, this country will elect a liberal president every year, guaranteed. Then the farmers and entrepreneurs, etc, get screwed..

 

If you think its liberals you have to worry about, then you seriously have your head up your *ss. And if a liberal president was elected every year then at least it would be more of a representation of the voters.

 

With the election laws loosened up, we might get some decent people with good ideas that love this country & its people rather than their carreer of politics.

Edited January 1, 2008 by Scratch

[SL7yz0r]

Correct, the majority would get elected and represented EVERY year, in this case, the farmers and business owners get FCKD*, the working class would eventually turn USA into a communist government. The electoral college brings balance between the workers and entrepreneurs into politics.

[Wizzy]

Correct, the majority would get elected and represented EVERY year, in this case, the farmers and business owners get FCKD*, the working class would eventually turn USA into a communist government. The electoral college brings balance between the workers and entrepreneurs into politics.

 

Some of the most socialist countrys in the world have extreamly great economy. i.e. Sweden /Norway Canada. Communism does not equal socialism. I though americans got over this irrational fear of communism? You should now have an irrational fear of Terrorism iirc?. What would you ever do if a third Federal party or a fourth entered the race?

[Ermabwed]

What would you ever do if a third Federal party or a fourth entered the race?

You mean, like in a democracy? God forbid!

 

There are more than just two parties in the United States in the middle of North America (and sometimes "independent" candidates (aka multi billionaires) that try to run for presidency), there are a number of reasons why the other parties don't stand a chance, I could name a few obvious ones but I'm not that familiar with all the details and don't want to get into a discussion about those here

[robindell]

This thread reminds me of CNN "World Sport" which I watched twice - it consists of 28 mins of baseball, american football, ice hockey and basketball and the remaining 2 mins for the " rest of the rather obviously unimportant sports world" - which included football, cricket, hockey, golf, sailing - you name it - I really never expected a thread on the american presidental election here in what is an international game with players from all over the globe , and for many of us, imo, it is of minor interest but not much more, as a general rule, if you do not live there - who cares who wins - to be perfectly honest whoever wins the next election in Britain/Germany/India/etc. is of equally little relevance and I wait with interest to see if the nationals of various other countries will also subject us to such a thread .

[The_Piper]

I though americans got over this irrational fear of communism? You should now have an irrational fear of Terrorism iirc?.

 

Communism, socialism, terrorism.. who cares. at least there will be some *sim to fear off.

 

Just be patient, one american idiot will for sure find an *ism to fear off and take it as a reason to start a war and make a lot of money with it.

 

Well, quite now all the idiots are busy to make big money with the war in iraq and afghanistan, that should keep them busy for a while.

 

Hopefully...

 

Piper

[Arnieman]

This thread reminds me of CNN "World Sport" which I watched twice - it consists of 28 mins of baseball, american football, ice hockey and basketball and the remaining 2 mins for the " rest of the rather obviously unimportant sports world" - which included football, cricket, hockey, golf, sailing - you name it - I really never expected a thread on the american presidental election here in what is an international game with players from all over the globe , and for many of us, imo, it is of minor interest but not much more, as a general rule, if you do not live there - who cares who wins - to be perfectly honest whoever wins the next election in Britain/Germany/India/etc. is of equally little relevance and I wait with interest to see if the nationals of various other countries will also subject us to such a thread .

Look for such threads as the ones dealing with "football" (soccer to us citizens of the USA) - this is about as close as you usually get here. There was a thread about the EU Constitution a year or so ago...

 

anyway... I feel that as an American citizen (referring to the nation known as the United States of America), it is both my right to vote, and my responsibility to vote. We in this nation have an opportunity that many people take for granted, and don't due diligence. I mean, recent years have shown why every vote either cast or not cast counts - Bush's margin of victory in Florida in 2000 was not even 1% (whatever your opinion on whether that was a legitimate win, that's the official record). Recent elections in the United States of America have proven that, truly, every vote cast properly DOES count (and recount, and count again, and turned sideways to count, and counted like a Rorschach test, and counted by gymnasts while they're training, and eaten by goats who then count the votes in fecal matter...) This said, I will admit that voter turnout has been improving in the last few presidential elections, which comes to my nest point.

 

Honestly, if people would start shedding their long-held ideas that "it doesn't matter who I vote for, there's only two candidates anyway"... (look deeper, many states DO have other parties AND independents on the ballot!) If enough voters would start doing due diligence to study the issues, and what really matters to them and what the candidates really stand for... there are enough eligible voters that aren't voting to raise a third party candidate to the same level as the major parties! Imagine the political capital people would tap into if they'd just take a little time, figure out what they stand for, and vote for the person who matches that.

 

As for that, the issues that matter to me (not in particular order):

 

Iraq Policy: I personally cannot in good conscience support a candidate who supports a "cut-and-run" strategy. Yes, we can't stay there forever. However, we need an exit strategy that doesn't leave a best-case-scenario of a three-way civil war, or worse from our standpoint - Iran filling the power vacuum. Are we going to leave a stable country able to capably defend itself, or do we need another (traitor) actress - or maybe a rank-and-file senator - to ride an Iranian missile to show us what's going on?

 

Environmental Issues: Face it however you want - what is certain is we are headed toward an environmental calamity. What isn't certain is what that calamity will be, or even what impact we'll have on it. There are things that are clear tho - such as, that oil won't last forever, even if we could steal all the oil from Iraq and send Dick Cheney down in the well with a straw to suck up the last drop. Maybe we cut down all the trees for precious timber, and then we don't have them anymore. Maybe we build so many new homes on our fertile farmlands that we no longer have anywhere to grow our crops... We need to be stewards of what we have, preserving our lands, our forests, and our resources for the next generation. We need to find new ways to do what we already do - cleaner technologies for cars, for example - and more sustainable ways to use what we already have and need. That, and understanding that if we need lumber, we just can't save every tree - but we can replant what we use, and limit our uses to the minimum. I feel that our President needs to be of a similar mindset.

 

Taxes and the Role of Government: Our government is incredibly bloated, and spends more than it needs to - we need a policy to tax people more fairly, and cut the wasteful spending and "pork-barreling" in our government.

 

Infrastructure: Our highways need some major work - we have a lot of places where what's there is falling apart, and this needs some major attention, before another bridge collapses.

 

There are some other issues, and some that aren't "issues", but I'm not going to list them all - particularly since I'm missing Health Care, and I'm running out of time for now.

 

I will say that when I looked at the issues I cared most about, and compared to the major party candidates - the candidate I am supporting is Mike Huckabee.

Edited February 6, 2008 by Arnieman

[Entropy]

Well, good job America!

I think it is relatively safe to say that McCain won the Republican nomination, and Hilda won the Democrat nomination. I am looking forward to people from Europe buying 50 rostos for 1 euro.

[Acelon]

I'm not thrilled about McCain... but Obama isn't far behind Hilary.

[Arnieman]

I'd like to debate that assertion, Entropy - using statistics from CBSNews.com, I compiled the following graphs

Republican Nominees

Democrat Nominees

 

Personally, I'm still maintaining the stand that we haven't seen the end yet - anything still can happen.

 

I'm going to list my opinions based on these results - not of the candidates themselves, but what I think we'll see:

 

Hillary Clinton: Yes, she has the lead - but it's not that big of a lead, nor is it all the delegates she needs to win anyway. The Democrat campaign at this point could go down to the wire.

Barack Obama: He's behind, but comparatively speaking, it's not that far behind! As I said above, the Democrat campaign isn't over yet, there's a lot that can happen, and it's clear that both candidates embrace this.

John McCain: It's fair to call him the frontrunner, it's not fair to say that this race is over and to crown him the champion. there's still a bit of room for things to happen.

Mitt Romney: While he's clearly in 2nd, Huckabee isn't very far behind. However, it's almost certain that the wind is coming out of his sails... The worse-than-expected showing may be the end of his campaign.

Mike Huckabee: Third place, distant from McCain but right on Romney's heels. That, and the stronger-than-predicted showing Tuesday has finally seemed to make the networks that have been trying to ignore him take note. His enthusiasm is almost clearly not waning, so we could see an explosion in the near future.

Ron Paul: While I admire that he still is in it, it's a real longshot at this point - I'm not wanting to say impossible, but... he's got very few delegates. Maybe he's got something left up his sleeve, but it'd better be big, and it'd better be real soon.

[Sir Christo]

Barrack Obama

[Arnieman]

Hmmm... it seems to me that I have to concede something here now...

 

John McCain has now secured enough delegates in the Republican convention to win the nomination for candidacy for President.

Mitt Romney dropped out shortly after his less-than-stellar performance on Super Tuesday.

Mike Huckabee has dropped out after some strong showings in the past month, that came to a close with major defeats on Tuesday.

Ron Paul has made no announcement of concession - which is strange with John McCain having all the delegates he needs secured, so either we are to see something come up soon, or maybe he's considering another direction?

 

On the Democrat side, it's still close between the front-runners - begging the question of who the "sexist-and-racist bigot" Democrat votes will go to - I mean, racists could vote one way, sexists the other, and if you're both, well, you're pretty much screwed.

 

(Any statement I make beyond the facts is purely commentary on my part, and either is to express my personal opinion, or to inject some humor.)

[Entropy]

Ron Paul made it clear that his goal is to get as many delegates as possible, and I think this is a good thing.

While the chances for him to win the nomination are very small (I guess it can still happen if McCain gives up due to some new powerful scandal, or if he dies, etc.), his main goal is to further this movement, and maybe in 2012 things will change.

[Annihilate]

Well, good job America!

I think it is relatively safe to say that McCain won the Republican nomination, and Hilda won the Democrat nomination. I am looking forward to people from Europe buying 50 rostos for 1 euro.

After the inflation they will introduce the Amero,so you can look forward to people in America purchasing 1 rostos for 5 ameros.

[Annihilate]

Ron Paul made it clear that his goal is to get as many delegates as possible, and I think this is a good thing.

While the chances for him to win the nomination are very small (I guess it can still happen if McCain gives up due to some new powerful scandal, or if he dies, etc.), his main goal is to further this movement, and maybe in 2012 things will change.

LOL nothing has changed and nothing will change;not for the good.The president has already been chosen by the very few.Ron Paul is the only true patriot the rest are just puppets.

[Annihilate]

Man, every president is not some puppet. Some recent presidents have done great things for this country, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan... Maybe Clinton and Bush havn't been what everyone hoped but we get some good and some bad. Many presidents and candidates DO care about the American people and are true patriots.

LOL! Nixon was one of the worst president and Reagan wasnt all that good,his personality attracts people.Kennedy spoke out against the secrecy of the government and the fed.Why did you think he got assassinated?