LilBear Report post Posted January 18, 2007 I'm harvesting level 54, which puts me six levels below the recommended level for turquoise, or so I've been told. It makes for rather slow harvesting , and to amuse myself I timed how long it would take me to mine ore. Basically, whenever a number appears above my head (indicating harvesting points) I'm clicking the clock. Imagine my surprise when there seemed to be no regularity to the number of seconds between harvests. Below are 34 timed intervals (in seconds). I don't think the differences can be put down to reaction time. Is there a pattern I'm not seeing? Is the difference in seconds related to harvesting "failures"? Does anyone have an explanation for this that is not based on wild guesses or humor? Thanks. lilbear harvesting intervals in seconds, for turquoise, at harvesting lvl 54: (This does not include the first harvest since I can't click on a beginning time and an ore simultaneously. Also, the first harvest always seems to take longest.) 18, 18, 25, 18, 22, 25, 22, 25, 22, 16, 20, 24, 15, 23, 23, 19, 26, 24, 26, 22, 19, 24, 15, 25, 20, 22, 15, 20, 26, 15, 14, 17, 22 number of events: 34 total seconds: 711 average: 20.9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sidewinder Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Just a thought: I know when i have a bad connection sometimes there is a delay on knowing when i have harvested an item. For example, if i am harvesting and there is a skip in the connection i wont see any exp above my head for like 20 seconds but then see all the exp + above my head really really fast. Don't know if anybody else has ever had the same thing happen, but i suppose its possibility Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy_G Report post Posted January 18, 2007 i have had that happen (the above post) but i have also noticed a small iregularity in alot of ores, personally i always shruged it off as the amount of 'failed' harvests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BloodSucker Report post Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) Isn't that because of your harvesting level? In the past you've had to click on the ore to get it, and each time message pop up "You collected 1 Titanium Ore", and there were fails also: "Harvest failed". Maybe those fails still exist, bu you can't see that message anymore. Sometimes you fail to collect turquoise, sometimes you succeed, and that's why you get the ore irregular. Edited January 18, 2007 by BloodSucker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schmurk Report post Posted January 18, 2007 BloodSucker is right, it is because of the failures that do not display. Even 14 seconds is long to harvest one ore because iirc when I harvest wolfram which needs level 60, there's not more than 5-6 seconds between each ore. So in your case, you should have a lot of failures... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
majestyk Report post Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) The smallest number should then indicate a case where there were no failures, or the least failures, between successful harvests. In this list this would be 14. Shouldn't all other numbers therefore be multiples of the lowest time? Or at least have a lowest common multiple, which definitely isnt the case for all those numbers? Therefore I'd assume that there is a random factor in there, too. Edited January 18, 2007 by majestyk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cycloonx Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Normally it should always be a multiplication of 2 seconds. I guess the testperson clicked his clock each harvest? So that explains the odd numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aislinn Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Yes the fails are still there, you just aren't seeing them anymore. So the attempt to harvest times out the same, you just won't get an even result because there are fails inbetween, which won't be the same each time between a success, and which you do not see. That is what a higher harvest level gets you, less fails. Which you see as "faster" harvesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Komiyan Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Lag and vid card. I'm on dial-up with a 16mb card, trust me. The numbers are all over the place! Also whatever else you have running in the background. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghrae Report post Posted January 18, 2007 In addition, I believe there is a "base time" to harvest an item. That base time varies from harvestable item to harvestable item. From my own experience I would say that Turquoise has the longest base time per harvest that I've seen. Though I'm no developer I believe the system would work something like this - Harvester clicks to harvest plant/ore/mineral/whatever - Base time for that harvestable item is grabbed from the database - The server makes a harvest attempt ever xx number of seconds (xx = base time for that item) - If you succeed - congrats you now have that item in your inventory - If you fail - no message and it waits another xx number of seconds before trying again Again, I'm not a developer, this is my just my own understanding of how it works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagpieLee Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Yes the fails are still there, you just aren't seeing them anymore. So the attempt to harvest times out the same, you just won't get an even result because there are fails inbetween, which won't be the same each time between a success, and which you do not see. That is what a higher harvest level gets you, less fails. Which you see as "faster" harvesting. I remember the dreaded Harvest Failed server message. I'm glad they're gone ... imagine the chat_log spam !i!i! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cycloonx Report post Posted January 18, 2007 You failed to harvest a tiger lilly! The good old times I know I misclicked once on a bear at the rose at dp coal cave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ttlanhil Report post Posted January 19, 2007 <snip>I agree on all but one point. to my eye, it looks like there's one extra fail inherent in starting to harvest (ie the first harvest takes twice as long). I've seen this many times with higher level ores (at harv 88 now, the fails shouldn't be too frequent) and the same delay again in stopping for whatever reason (you get a blessing, and you have to wait a sec or fife to restart harvesting. depending on how hard it is for you to dig it) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpius Report post Posted January 19, 2007 Yes the fails are still there, you just aren't seeing them anymore. So the attempt to harvest times out the same, you just won't get an even result because there are fails inbetween, which won't be the same each time between a success, and which you do not see. That is what a higher harvest level gets you, less fails. Which you see as "faster" harvesting. Good that we dont see fails anymore I would even do less harvesting if i would get message spam of failing to harvest an ore lol is there even an 100% rate to succeed every harvest event? ( curious) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hex Report post Posted January 19, 2007 Yes the fails are still there, you just aren't seeing them anymore. So the attempt to harvest times out the same, you just won't get an even result because there are fails inbetween, which won't be the same each time between a success, and which you do not see. That is what a higher harvest level gets you, less fails. Which you see as "faster" harvesting. Good that we dont see fails anymore I would even do less harvesting if i would get message spam of failing to harvest an ore lol is there even an 100% rate to succeed every harvest event? ( curious) Given the FE fail rate, regardless of alc level, I'm gonna say no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beaverhunter Report post Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) I'm harvesting level 54, which puts me six levels below the recommended level for turquoise, or so I've been told. It makes for rather slow harvesting , and to amuse myself I timed how long it would take me to mine ore. Basically, whenever a number appears above my head (indicating harvesting points) I'm clicking the clock. Imagine my surprise when there seemed to be no regularity to the number of seconds between harvests. Below are 34 timed intervals (in seconds). I don't think the differences can be put down to reaction time. Is there a pattern I'm not seeing? Is the difference in seconds related to harvesting "failures"? Does anyone have an explanation for this that is not based on wild guesses or humor? Thanks. lilbear harvesting intervals in seconds, for turquoise, at harvesting lvl 54: (This does not include the first harvest since I can't click on a beginning time and an ore simultaneously. Also, the first harvest always seems to take longest.) 18, 18, 25, 18, 22, 25, 22, 25, 22, 16, 20, 24, 15, 23, 23, 19, 26, 24, 26, 22, 19, 24, 15, 25, 20, 22, 15, 20, 26, 15, 14, 17, 22 number of events: 34 total seconds: 711 average: 20.9 Ouch, now thats some slow harvesting...At first before reading your post properly I almost saw those numbers as being in Milliseconds or something... Man 20 secs for harvesting is very slow=/ I'm at lvl 74 almost 75. And I got these: 7, 5, 7, 7, 6, 6, 7, 6, 5, 7, 7, 6, 7. ttlanhil is right about that stuff, I noticed alot that when getting a bless or any interuption you have many extra seconds to get back on track=/ Can be quite annoying when many events... Btw I probably got most Turquoise in game now;D But it seems like only the higher lvl harvestables benefit from high harv lvl... The lower should get faster and faster too...=/ Edited January 23, 2007 by Beaverhunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
