Dorplein

[Dorplein]

When I try to login nothing happens, so it seems I'm banned. My brother is banned too. Why are we banned?

[Aislinn]

Illegal multi.

What brought it to our attention were the scamming attempts complaints about robin2

Dorplein

robin2

stijn2

kevin50

glenn9

 

Not the first time we've had issues with robin2 either...

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.p...8&hl=robin2

[Dorplein]

I'm Dorplein, my little brother is robin2, glenn and kevin are his friends and stijn is my nephew who made an acount here but will prolly never play again. I know my little brother and I were training together a few days ago and traded some pots but I think glenn, kevin and stijn barely play. My little brother said he traded some pots with kevin and nothing with the rest. I have no idea how he tried to scam someone because he can barely speak english. Can you provide me some logs and can you please unban Dorplein and robin2, I don't think the other ones care that they are banned. Thanks in advance.

[Aislinn]

I never liked "Thanks in advance" because that implies people are going to get the result they are looking for automatically, no thought involved.

 

The lock isn't for the scamming. It's for illegal multiplay. I think you ought to have a little chat with your little brother because kevin50 is consistently being used from your IP and has a big log of same IP trading with robin2. All patterns and uses and storage logs indicate one person (kevin50 being a shared character used for illegal multiplay purposes by robin2).

 

Dorplein had some too with robin2 but the amount and frequency supports your story of two legitimate players.

 

We'd consider whitelisting Dorplein but we have no reason to unlock the others.

[Dorplein]

Sorry for the thanks in advance then, but the story about kevin50 being a different person is true, he still only plays from our house because he's a friend of my little brother. I don't know what trading went on between them but I can tell him not to let anyone log in from our comp, except for me and him. I can understand what it looks like, and my brother might have used his friend to get him more stuff, but it's still another person so it's not illegal multiplaying. Can you give me some sort of indication how much stuff or anything he traded with kevin50? Thanks for considering to unlock Dorplein and I also hope you'll unlock robin2.

Edited December 10, 2006 by Dorplein

[Aislinn]

...but I think glenn, kevin and stijn barely play.

...he still only plays from our house because he's a friend of my little brother.

Well...which is it?

 

 

and my brother might have used his friend to get him more stuff, but it's still another person so it's not illegal multiplaying.

If your brother used somebody else's account to help himself, that IS illegal multiplaying.

 

There was a LOT more given from one char to the other than some potions. Over 20k gc, weapons, armour, capes, potions including enriched ones, multiple enhanced essences, and more, went from kevin50 to robin2. At best robin2 was illegally multiplaying, at worst he stole.

[Dorplein]

...but I think glenn, kevin and stijn barely play.

...he still only plays from our house because he's a friend of my little brother.

Well...which is it?

I don't know exactly when they are at my place to play eternal lands, I just know my little brother told me that they barely play.

 

and my brother might have used his friend to get him more stuff, but it's still another person so it's not illegal multiplaying.

If your brother used somebody else's account to help himself, that IS illegal multiplaying.

He and kevin were in the same room, on different computers, and kevin gave stuff to robin, that isn't illegal now is it?

And if they were the same person, why didn't he make all those things on his own char then? He'd get exp for it, it'd be totaly useless to gain exp with that other character while making stuff to give the stuff made to the main character. There must be some way to see in the logs that they play at the same time doing stuff simultaniusly and that they can't be one person.

There was a LOT more given from one char to the other than some potions. Over 20k gc, weapons, armour, capes, potions including enriched ones, multiple enhanced essences, and more, went from kevin50 to robin2. At best robin2 was illegally multiplaying, at worst he stole.

Or he asked a friend to help him gain stuff?

[Aislinn]

There must be some way to see in the logs that they play at the same time doing stuff simultaniusly and that they can't be one person.

Precisely. We do see some times that they are logged on together. Funny though how they (with only 2 exceptions that I found) only trade and remove/deposit stuff from storage when that happens. We also see when robin2 logs off and kevin50 immediately logs on for a few minutes or so then logs off and robin2 logs back on (your IP). You cannot possibly try to convince me that's how two friends play together.

 

You are trying to muddy the logs with hypothetical scenario's that you have no idea if they even did happen by your own words.

 

As I stated, we will unlock dorplein but robin2 et al will remain locked and banned.

[Dorplein]

Thanks for answers and unbanning and I'll talk to my brother again tommorow.

 

There must be some way to see in the logs that they play at the same time doing stuff simultaniusly and that they can't be one person.

Precisely. We do see some times that they are logged on together. Funny though how they (with only 2 exceptions that I found) only trade and remove/deposit stuff from storage when that happens. We also see when robin2 logs off and kevin50 immediately logs on for a few minutes or so then logs off and robin2 logs back on (your IP). You cannot possibly try to convince me that's how two friends play together.

That's when they're on the same computer.

 

And if they were the same person, why didn't he make all those things on his own char then? He'd get exp for it, it'd be totaly useless to gain exp with that other character while making stuff to give the stuff made to the main character.

 

Can you answer this question please?

[Aislinn]

I think you need to ask him that.

[Dorplein]

Oh I can't ask him because he didn't do that.

Do you or don't you believe kevin and robin are two different persons?

[Aislinn]

I believe it's a shared character that robin2 helped himself with. Which IS illegal multi.

[Dorplein]

Hmm ok, that's prolly right. So he's banned because he prolly did a few things on kevin's character while kevin was at out home, and later kevin gave stuff to robin.

That's seen as illegal multiplaying?

So if I click once on robin's acount, and later he gives me some potion, I get banned for illegal multiplaying?

[Aislinn]

But that's not what happened. You can sit there and make up 100 possible scenarios because you don't have logs in front of you. Honestly, I have better things to do than make up stuff to ban people. On the other hand, I don't like people cheating and hurting other players either.

The logs speak for themselves.

The decision stands.