Entropy Report post Posted November 7, 2006 At this point that fine of 100k gc was unfair... Ok, then I will leave things as they are now regarding the summoning stones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kedrigern Report post Posted November 7, 2006 I think that amount of food used to produce stone is now to high. In my opinion decrese it, remove sr form ingreds and take some mana in that place is a good idea. That dosnt change much overall cost of production (at list stones that curently requires only sr) because potions must be drinked and increse time (drinking 4~6srs take more time that one pof). Sumoning stones have magical nature so should be created from mana not from food. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted November 7, 2006 The food is not used for the magic, it's used for the effort to make the stone. Anyway, I planned to adjust the food and some other things, but when top summoners such as Blodoks act the way they do... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vormavius Report post Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) Things are not final yet, I will make a few other modifications. But I would like to get some non flaming feedback from the summoners. Yes, some of the formulas will be further adjusted. They are not 100% ballanced yet Sadly some people dont understand englesh very well, or have bad skills on text interpretation My opinnion, I was a bit tired of leveling a/d all the time, like I was doing before. With the new awesome update, I restarted my summon training, and interacted with a lot of players, back to mixing some ess, helping another ones (which I never saw ingame before) to gather material for the essences, due to lack of LE on the market. It was a very hard journey, but too much fun also. Thank you for the great job ent edit: quotes Edited November 7, 2006 by Vormavius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy_G Report post Posted November 7, 2006 The food is not used for the magic, it's used for the effort to make the stone. Anyway, I planned to adjust the food and some other things, but when top summoners such as Blodoks act the way they do... havent you said b4 that you should ignore most ppl and do whats better for the game. you shouldnt let one person cause you not to make a change that will make things better for the game and more balanced Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acelon Report post Posted November 7, 2006 The food is not used for the magic, it's used for the effort to make the stone. Anyway, I planned to adjust the food and some other things, but when top summoners such as Blodoks act the way they do... Ban him No one gives a damn about his baby remarks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dushan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 The food is not used for the magic, it's used for the effort to make the stone. Anyway, I planned to adjust the food and some other things, but when top summoners such as Blodoks act the way they do... Ban him No one gives a damn about his baby remarks. lol... It's not that I'm complaining or something but formulas really need to be adjusted a bit, and I think other top summoners would agree with that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy_G Report post Posted November 7, 2006 and he has said that there were going to be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acelon Report post Posted November 7, 2006 The food is not used for the magic, it's used for the effort to make the stone. Anyway, I planned to adjust the food and some other things, but when top summoners such as Blodoks act the way they do... Ban him No one gives a damn about his baby remarks. lol... It's not that I'm complaining or something but formulas really need to be adjusted a bit, and I think other top summoners would agree with that The way he presents his "opinions" is less than desired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blodoks Report post Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) ...and I think other top summoners would agree with that I don't agree with you. Edited November 7, 2006 by Blodoks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knuckles Report post Posted November 7, 2006 Nice knowing you Blodoks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted November 7, 2006 havent you said b4 that you should ignore most ppl and do whats better for the game. you shouldnt let one person cause you not to make a change that will make things better for the game and more balanced Of course. I personally think it is better for the game, as a whole, with the current food level. But I was willing to make some small concesions for the summoners. Anyway, someone please give an estimate (prices+time) for the bear, spider and tiger stone. How much they cost to make, and what the profit is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantis Report post Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) I'll try.. Bear 1 Bear Fur - 12gc 20 Gypsums - 0gc, harvest if you have 2 inorgan 3 Potion of Spirit Restorations - 60gc 15 Life Essences - @7gc ec 105gc Total: 177gc, NPC buy price 125gc, not profitable I guess Spider 20 Threads - 30-40gc depending on players or npc 20 Gypsums - free 4 Potion of Spirit Restorations - 80gc 20 Life Essences - 140gc Total 250-260gc, 250gc sold to npc (About break even) Tiger Stone - I don't think many people make these cuz Tiger furs are annoying to get 1 White Tiger fur - 15? I dunno.. 20 Gypsums - Free 4 Potion of Spirit Restorations 80gc 20 Life Essences 140gc As for time, I think most people mix at the gypsum because it's so much emu for gyps. So your emu/otheringredsemu = how many you make each run to gyps, with 1 minute travel time each way and time to harvest gyps Edited November 7, 2006 by Atlantis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dushan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 Spider is 250gc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vormavius Report post Posted November 7, 2006 I'll make spider stones for 30 minutes, then I'll post later the timings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dushan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 If someone brings you ings to make stones at gypsum, you can make around 80-100 per hour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gohan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 Or possibly, you're crazy like me and you don't mind hauling Gypsum to storage... You could do a full hour of mixing after a while. -Blee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantis Report post Posted November 7, 2006 that doesn't make sense blee, cuz ingreds that you get at gyps = 200 emu, ingreds to bring in = like 40 emu.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dushan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 Hauling gypsum to storage is huge waste of time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gohan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 Wait, you didn't read my post well, I'll show you what you missed and clarify at the same time why I do it. Or possibly, you're crazy like me and you don't mind hauling Gypsum to storage... You could do a full hour of mixing after a while. -Blee See it? Its in bold, quite easy to get it too. -Blee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted November 7, 2006 I'll try.. Spider 20 Threads - 30-40gc depending on players or npc 20 Gypsums - free 4 Potion of Spirit Restorations - 80gc 20 Life Essences - 140gc Total 350-360gc, 250gc sold to npc Are we redefining the math? 40+80+140!=360 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gohan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 I'll try.. Spider 20 Threads - 30-40gc depending on players or npc 20 Gypsums - free 4 Potion of Spirit Restorations - 80gc 20 Life Essences - 140gc Total 350-360gc, 250gc sold to npc Are we redefining the math? 40+80+140!=360 He means you can also buy 20 thread for 30gc if you buy from players. Therefor your total money spent on it can be either 350gc or 360gc. But yes, taken that when you buy from the NPC, your formula is correct and its always 360gc. -Blee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dushan Report post Posted November 7, 2006 did you count potions of feasting you need to make stones atlantis? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tanyia Report post Posted November 7, 2006 That would be 250-260, not 350-360 ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites