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Thanks Blee finaly no more useless spam on Channel 1 & 2 :)

 

Partially correct. People will still ask for the a/d of.. But they can do so only once if you refer to this list. :)

But in the end, they'll still ask. :)

 

Btw, I put a note at the end of my first post. The reason why you *should* help me complete the list so I can give you a nice clean list on it. And maybe, very maybe, if I got A LOT of spare time. I might make a small database on it that you can scroll through. Including pictures off course. :)

 

 

-Blee

Edited by BleedingSoul

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I wrote this about a year ago, and it still applies:

 

http://www.el-iron.com/downloads/elmonsterstats.xls

 

There is a utility built into the spreadsheet to put your info and the experience a given monster gives. It then calculates the a/d levels of that monster. The formulas are perfect, but I have not run it since the monster stats have changed a few updates back..

 

Enjoy :)

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ok, i went on my noob and checked rabbit, beaver, rat, and brownie

 

i came up with:

rabbit:

attack=3

defence=5

 

rat:

attack=4

defence=5

 

beaver:

attack=6

defence=6

 

brownie:

attack=8

defence=8

 

hope it helps :)

although rabbit def seems abit high

 

~1st (info provided by teh noob wariior)

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Thanks Blee finaly no more useless spam on Channel 1 & 2 :)

 

Partially correct. People will still ask for the a/d of.. But they can do so only once if you refer to this list. :)

But in the end, they'll still ask. :)

 

Btw, I put a note at the end of my first post. The reason why you *should* help me complete the list so I can give you a nice clean list on it. And maybe, very maybe, if I got A LOT of spare time. I might make a small database on it that you can scroll through. Including pictures off course. :)

 

 

-Blee

 

unfortunately the majority ask for recomended a/ds which differ to creature a/ds

 

anyway a really good idea going here!!!

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Here are my numbers so far:

beaver 6/6 (exp 9/9 with a/d/rat=4/4/4)

skunk 7/7 (exp 10/11 with a/d/rat=5/4/4)

raccoon 8/8 (exp 13/13 with a/d/rat=4/4/4)

deer 12/9 (exp 15/21 with a/d/rat=4/4/4)

fox 12/16 (exp 28/20 with a/d/rat=5/5/4)

brownie 8/8 (exp 14/14 with a/d/rat=3/3/4)

green snake 18/9 (exp 14/32 with a/d/rat=5/5/4)

wood sprite 10/30 (exp 54/14 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)

leprechaun 15/15 (exp 24/24 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)

imp 12/12 (exp 18/18 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)

brown snake 22/14 (exp 22/38 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)

boar 20/20 (exp 19/19 with a/d/rat=23/23/8)

wolf 26/20 (exp 20/32 with a/d/rat=23/23/10)

goblin 28/25 (exp 22/28 with a/d/rat=38/38/30)

skeleton 33/28 (exp 28/38 with a/d/rat=38/38/30)

large spider 30/30 (exp 32/32 with a/d/rat=38/38/30)

armed skeleton 40/35 (exp 40/50 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)

female armed goblin 32/35 (exp 40/34 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)

male armed goblin 36/40 (exp 50/43 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)

short gargoyle 30/30 (exp 30/30 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)

tall gargoyle 36/36 (exp 42/42 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)

wingless gargoyle 34/34 (exp 38/38 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)

female orc 50/30 (exp 30/70 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)

show leopard 37/37 (exp 44/45 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)

black panther 42/42 (exp 54/55 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)

feran 39/39 (exp 48/49 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)

 

If your a/d are too much higher than your opponent then the formula doesn't apply so you can't use it to check rabbits and rats. There appears to be a minimum attack exp and minimum def exp for each creature (your rationality bonus is applied to the minimum for attack but not for defense).

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The minimum with rationality 20 is +13att, +4 def, so that would mean:

a minimum of 7 attack and 4 def.

 

I have a screenie of fighting troll with 51 att and being at minimum. This puts troll def at:

2x - 51 <= 0 <=> x <= 25

 

So basically we need some peeps within 25att and 50 att to try a troll :>

 

Tiger: 55/55 (exp 38/35 with a/d/rat=78/81/20)

Edited by RallosZek

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Puntif: great help, thanks. Putting those stats in the list right now.

 

Wizzkidd: I hope you don't mind if I put that little exp calculator in my list, I'll copy it from your file.

 

Ralloszek: Ok, I'll find someone.

 

-Blee

Edited by BleedingSoul

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The minimum with rationality 20 is +13att, +4 def, so that would mean:

a minimum of 7 attack and 4 def.

I'm quite sure there are minimum attack and defense exp for different creatures. I've got the same a/d exp from foxes- 8/6 a/d exp. My rationality hasn't chanced, and it is 11, which means a bonus of 3 exp points. This means the minimum a/d exp from foxes (without the rationality bonus) should be 5/3. For rabbits, the minimum a/d exp I get is 8/3, for boars - 8/6, for skunks and brownies - 8/4, for deers and wood sprite - 8/5. So as you can see, there is a different minimum for different creatures.

 

So basically we need some peeps within 25att and 50 att to try a troll

I will try it (if I can find one), as my a/d is 43/46.

 

Puntif: great help, thanks. Putting those stats in the list right now.

Where can I see the complete list? Do you have your own site or something?

Edited by smalul

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Where can I see the complete list? Do you have your own site or something?

 

The list I got so far is on my first post in this topic, I'm making a good list in a file on my computer and I'll upload it when I'm done.

 

-Blee

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Bears are missing, as are red snakes.

Imp A/D numbers (12/12) look funny. A boar (20/20) supposedly has almost twice the A/D as an imp?

Edited by KarenRei

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Bears are missing, as are red snakes.

Imp A/D numbers (12/12) look funny. A boar (20/20) supposedly has almost twice the A/D as an imp?

 

I know stuff is missing but I either need to be able to create a char suited to check the a/d or need help from someone else to get it. I'll check at a later time what is missing and post the list of 'Missing animals and monsters.'

 

-Blee

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Imps and wood sprites were updated a few updates ago, making them much stronger - the Imps still have low a/d (it's in the minimum for me), but they do fire damage, which doesn't give defensive exp, and the wood sprites have had either their attack or defense raised a lot (in fact, at a/d of 43/46 I can get about 20 exp of def or att, don't remember which one, when fighting them).

 

I still haven't found a troll to fight against, but I'll keep trying (I think they are in SKF, but I got killed by ogres and cyclops).

Edited by smalul

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Wear mm cape and enter skf(nc entrance), than upper-right corner is CM, enter the building. 3 Trolls r there( be very carefull, they dont have very high a/d but they do pretty big dmg).

 

eMPi

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OK, I attacked a troll. I died, but got the a/d exp - I get 10 att exp and 76 def exp. My a/d is 43/47 and my rationality is 11, which makes trolls' a/d 60/25.

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Smalul, thanks added it. Vytukas also sent me that info + the defense level of male orcs.

 

Here's a small list of some stats I'm still lacking, maybe this list isn't complete either, I can't think of everything.

If you see something is lacking in this list AND the list in my first post, tell me and I'll add it in this one.

 

Phantom Warrior

Black Bear

Grizzly Bear

Polar Bear

Tiger

White Tiger

Red Snake

 

Also Rat, Rabbit and White Rabbit, but I'm about to create a new character to try them.

 

-Blee

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To add my part to this, I'll list HPs. Since a few of these were from memory, if anyone notices any errors or can contribute any values, let me know.

 

Rabbit,10

White Rabbit,10

Rat,15

Beaver,15

Brownie,18

Green Snake,20

Red Snake,20

Imp,24

Leprechaun,25

Wood Sprite,20

Fox,25

Brown Snake,40

Deer,45

Boar,45

Wolf,35

Male Goblin,45

Short Gargoyle,35

Large Spider,50

Puma,45

Female Armed Goblin,55

Female Orc,70

Male Ogre,105

Cyclops,200

Desert Chimeran,180

Fluffy Rabbit,250

Mountain Chimeran,270

Arctic Chimeran,300

Yeti,400

Male Orc,80

Troll,85

Small Spider,20

Polar Bear,140

Unicorn,200

Grizzly Bear,130

 

Unknown:

 

Skunk

Raccoon

Skeleton

Wingless Gargoyle

Tall Gargoyle

Snow Leopard

Armed Skeleton

Male Armed Goblin

Feran

Black Panther

Female Armed Orc

Male Armed Orc

Forest Chimeran

Giant

Black Bear

Phantom Warrior

Tiger

White Tiger

 

Also, I have two notes for creatures; this should be greatly expanded.

 

Imp: Fire damage

Red snake: Can poison

 

I've been making a spreadsheet which automatically calculates a "difficulty" for different creatures. Difficulty is Attack * Defense * Hitpoints * Bonus (bonus is based on any "specials", such as a non-physical attack type, poison, etc). The justification behind this is that Defense * Hitpoints determines how long it will take a person of a given level to kill it, and Attack * TimeInCombat * Bonus determines how much it will hurt you during that time.

Edited by KarenRei

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Here's a small list of some stats I'm still lacking, maybe this list isn't complete either, I can't think of everything.

If you see something is lacking in this list AND the list in my first post, tell me and I'll add it in this one.

 

Phantom Warrior

Black Bear

Grizzly Bear

Polar Bear

Tiger

White Tiger

Red Snake

I think you're also missing the panda bears.

I'll try to fight whatever I can from that list (except for the red snake - too high), and report back.

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Female Armed Orc - 90

Male Armed Orc - 100

Forest Chimeran - 230? or 180?

Giant - 600

Black Bear - 120

Phantom Warrior - 60?

Tiger - 75?

White Tiger - 75?

Not sure about the others, hope this helps any.

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Female Armed Orc - 90

Male Armed Orc - 100

Forest Chimeran - 230? or 180?

Giant - 600

Black Bear - 120

Phantom Warrior - 60?

Tiger - 75?

White Tiger - 75?

Not sure about the others, hope this helps any.

phantom warriors confirmed: 60

forest chim: 250

 

didn't check tigers

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Female Armed Orc - 90

Male Armed Orc - 100

Forest Chimeran - 230? or 180?

Giant - 600

Black Bear - 120

Phantom Warrior - 60?

Tiger - 75?

White Tiger - 75?

Not sure about the others, hope this helps any.

phantom warriors confirmed: 60

forest chim: 250

 

didn't check tigers

Okies, cool.

 

Giant Spiders are 50, Fem Armed Gobs 55, Armed Gobs 60, I think, not been to NC PK cave in a few days so I forgot :D

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Spreadsheet updated, plus some numbers I ran into the other day. Missing data:

 

Skeleton HP

Wingless gargoyle HP

Tall gargoyle HP

Snow leopard HP

Male orc Defense

Small spider A/D

Leopard A/D

Phantom warrior A/D

White tiger A/D

Tiger A/D

Black bear A/D

Grizzly bear A/D

Polar bear A/D

Panda bear A/D

Unicorn A/D (ha!)

 

Misc creature specials

Edited by KarenRei

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