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1. No PKing near entrances
Uhm, why? In maps like kf, nearly all the pking is near the entrances

 

3. No attacking people who are AFK
Its just unintelligent to go afk for more than 60 seconds in a pk map, especially if you are under 100 a/d.

 

4. No attacking to start a guild war
WTF?

 

6. No attacking without first challenging the person and getting his ascent
Unlikely to ever happen. If you are at war with another country and you are shooting at them, do you tap them on the shoulder and first say, "Excuse me, would you like to have a one vs. one match?"

 

7. No keeping the property of someone you killed
Unless it was agreed upon before hand to be a friendly fight, or it is training, then you are entitled to whatever they drop.

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This topic is as old as the mankind, and not unlike the real life, some combatants obey to a code of ethics, while some don't.

In a similar fashion, some countries obey to the Geneva convetion, some don't. Guess what country I am talking about.

 

If you mean the USA, then you should know that if it's not part of the constitution, then we don't have to abide it. We never signed the Geneva conventions in the first place.

 

My brother is in the Navy and recently picked up pirates off the coast of somolia and kuwait. These pirates were attacking US destroyer groups with pirated ships sometimes no longer then 19 feet long because thier families were being held by warlords in the area and would be killed if they did not comply. My brother was in charge of security of the ship and the care of the prisoners and talked in depth with these people, as it was probebly the last civil conversation they would have before being tried for piracy in kenya, which carries a death sentence. (according to the duchebags at the UN, pirates caught in those seas must be extradited to Kenya where they receive death, where's the compassion in killing someone who fights because their wives and children are in jeopardy after you have them captured? Rather then killing the warlords, the UN sentences the victims to death.)

 

What my brother learned is that the 3 meals a day, showers, medical care given are all things completely foreign to these people, they have never been treated so well or with as much dignity, even after shooting at my brother and his shipmates.

 

Before you go and slam the US for geneva conventions, take a look at the real enemy. I know who it is, do you? Want to see code of ethics? I'll send you a picture of my brother who is on the front lines.

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its a ****ing game! People always make comparison to RL lmao.... PK is just a way to have fun and relax, anyone who takes it more seriously than that needs to lighten up.

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1. No PKing near entrances
Uhm, why? In maps like kf, nearly all the pking is near the entrances

 

Well....u gotta give them a sec to see if there is anyone they can kill or not right :D

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I'd just have a loose set of rules that each guild chooses to follow or not, then the guild enforces it (kind of like in America de-centralizing the power) but not under any circumstances having them as rules that if broken could result in punishment from moderators. The PK areas are supposed to be dangerous whatever your doing.

 

These rules I'd suggest would be something like this:

 

1. No PKing near entrances

like it's been said ALOT of fighting happens near the enterances

 

2. No killing trainers

 

3. No attacking people who are AFK

if u'r in a fighting situation u shouldn't b afk at all

 

4. No attacking to start a guild war

 

5. Anyone else is free for attack

 

Optional Rules (by optional I mean that these could be adopted for guilds that want to be on the extreme nice side of PKing, which could lead to slang such as 1 rule and 2 rule guilds in addition to no rule guilds)

 

6. No attacking without first challenging the person and getting his ascent

some ppl/guilds just enemies and don't deserve fair warning (that they can use to get an advantage over u.

 

7. No keeping the property of someone you killed

then what would b the point of killing some1? as expensive as it can b there should b SOME reward for it. even monsters drop stuff

 

You could change these around, and maybe instead of one rule or two rule guilds you could have a one through seven rule guild, one rule only having the first rule and seven rule guilds having them all.

first off, ty for being the first to contribute in a constructive manner. i'll admit that i personally, also disagree w/ many of these. i put my thoughts point by point in code blocks to b clear(er) lol.

 

my thoughts are: (just suggestions btw)

1.)w/ privacy options Health is the only measurable status flawlessly so maybe only attack those w/ no less than 3/4 of u'r own max health 1on1 (and some other number for multi-combat? - or no limits in a general melee situation - there u'r just trying not to click on allies...lol)

 

well that's all i can put understandably right now. when i have more time i can compile another full list of ideas. but u can see what my guild goes by here: http://coh.pretty-lies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3

its a ****ing game! People always make comparison to RL lmao.... PK is just a way to have fun and relax, anyone who takes it more seriously than that needs to lighten up.

ok u'r vote is to fix nothing and wonder y the PK maps r getting less and less populated, gotcha. :D

Edited by DemonCowboy

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I'd just have a loose set of rules that each guild chooses to follow or not, then the guild enforces it (kind of like in America de-centralizing the power) but not under any circumstances having them as rules that if broken could result in punishment from moderators. The PK areas are supposed to be dangerous whatever your doing.

 

These rules I'd suggest would be something like this:

 

1. No PKing near entrances

 

2. No killing trainers

 

3. No attacking people who are AFK

 

4. No attacking to start a guild war

 

5. Anyone else is free for attack

 

Optional Rules (by optional I mean that these could be adopted for guilds that want to be on the extreme nice side of PKing, which could lead to slang such as 1 rule and 2 rule guilds in addition to no rule guilds)

 

6. No attacking without first challenging the person and getting his ascent

 

7. No keeping the property of someone you killed

 

 

You could change these around, and maybe instead of one rule or two rule guilds you could have a one through seven rule guild, one rule only having the first rule and seven rule guilds having them all.

 

About point 1: It depends... attacking someone right when s/he enters the map is getting some advantage (surprise attack)... but I think it's a tactic you should only use if you intend to kill the person (meant as your personal or guild enemy), not if you're around for fair duelling.

 

About point 3: I think that someone stupid enough to go afk in a PK area without sky-high a/d deserves to be killed :hehe:

 

About point 6: Again, depends. If that's a friend of yours or someone you want to friendly-fight, you MUST tell first, then attack when they're prepared to fight. On the other hand, if that's a personal/guild enemy, take advantage on the surprise factor and beat teh smeg out of him before he can take control of the situation (agreeing with what Atlantis said about the thing).

 

About point 7: You fight a monster, kill the monster, walk on the bag and pick it up. You fight a player, kill the player fair and square, walk on the bag and pick it up. You worked your kill, you deserve it, it's exactly the same, specially if they're enemies. Only situations when this should be excepted are friendly-fights and allies' deathbags.

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1. No PKing near entrances
Uhm, why? In maps like kf, nearly all the pking is near the entrances

Well....u gotta give them a sec to see if there is anyone they can kill or not right :hehe:

 

I thought you can't be attacked by someone in 5 seconds after entering pk map ;)

Edited by ville-v

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"ok u'r vote is to fix nothing and wonder y the PK maps r getting less and less populated, gotcha. :D"

 

1. Please spend some time pking before you say anything. I think i and other pkers have more idea of what we are talking about than you

 

2. There are alot of fun fights going on all the time. they aren't getting less populated.

 

dont make suggestions of stuff you dont know about. I aint gonne make suggestions about manu/craft because i know almost nothing about them. Do abit of research :)

Edited by Zaer

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"ok u'r vote is to fix nothing and wonder y the PK maps r getting less and less populated, gotcha. :P"

 

1. Please spend some time pking before you say anything. I think i and other pkers have more idea of what we are talking about than you

 

2. There are alot of fun fights going on all the time. they aren't getting less populated.

 

dont make suggestions of stuff you dont know about. I aint gonne make suggestions about manu/craft because i know almost nothing about them. Do abit of research :pirate:

lol maybe u should get YOUR facts straight b4 posting instead. just because YOU haven't seen me on PK maps doesn't mean i'm not there first off. secondly this is FAR from my first mmorpg i've even played quite a few PAID 1's and also even text based, having experienced PK in those too. and my guild *will do* the same things that guilds i have owned or been in have done in the other games, uphold the honor of PvP.

 

 

correction: from most of what i seen, there are few actual fights exept for ppl I would consider worthless picking on those weaker than them. (ie tricking newbs into maps, or attacking trainers) most of the "friendly fights" i have seen going on are just training. (myself included sometimes)

 

so as u see i know a fair bit more than u think. maybe YOU should b the 1 doing research b4 posting.

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not really.. and saying you've played other games makes no diff, this is THIS game, not another one, and most of us have played others as well.

 

ok im sorry you are more better pker than me and know alot more about it, my bad.

I hate being teh pk noob, i just wanted to look cool by saying that i go to pk alot and watch fights

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lol demoncowboy....you obviously do not go in pk enough....I have seen and participated in many fights between people that are about the same a/d...its not all just strong people vs newbies....zaer knows a lot more about pk in this game than u do apparently

 

there are few actual fights exept for ppl I would consider worthless picking on those weaker than them.
btw this isn't true either, i have killed plenty of people that are 20-30 a/d higher than me, and there are other people who kill other people stronger than them too, it is not all worthless fights so stfu

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so as u see i know a fair bit more than u think. maybe YOU should b the 1 doing research b4 posting.

 

Zaer is only a top 30 a/d player i am sure he dosent know a f* about pk :wub:

 

I am glad u know so much about it and will for sure teach some lessons when u see him in a pk map :wub:

 

Btw i spend almost all my EL time in KF training and ive never see u around DemonCowboy, maybe u want to share with us your in game name? :mace:

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not really.. and saying you've played other games makes no diff, this is THIS game, not another one, and most of us have played others as well.

 

ok im sorry you are more better pker than me and know alot more about it, my bad.

I hate being teh pk noob, i just wanted to look cool by saying that i go to pk alot and watch fights

i never said that i was better at pk, i've not paid much attention if i did see u because i was dealing w/ my own concerns. i said that u were wrong in u'r assumptions about ME. u need to research me b4 u can tell me about me

 

lol demoncowboy....you obviously do not go in pk enough....I have seen and participated in many fights between people that are about the same a/d...its not all just strong people vs newbies....zaer knows a lot more about pk in this game than u do apparently

there's a chance i confused some of that w/ training, on the maps i have been in and stuck around in. i can't say i've paid total attention. usually dealing w/ my own concerns.

 

there are few actual fights exept for ppl I would consider worthless picking on those weaker than them.
btw this isn't true either, i have killed plenty of people that are 20-30 a/d higher than me, and there are other people who kill other people stronger than them too, it is not all worthless fights so stfu

 

ok there are few actual fight's i've witnessed like that, maybe they were happening when i was comming back from the underworld laughing at 1 of the worthless 1's. i can't say i've seen every1 fight and i know that my experience isn't

 

and btw if u think u can shut me up - u'r free to try netime. u could pry PK me in the game when u see me but that would pry make me even louder, it sure as hell wouldn't shut me up. we'd have to play a REAL game for that. :whistle:

 

 

so as u see i know a fair bit more than u think. maybe YOU should b the 1 doing research b4 posting.

 

Zaer is only a top 30 a/d player i am sure he dosent know a f* about pk :D

 

I am glad u know so much about it and will for sure teach some lessons when u see him in a pk map :D

 

Btw i spend almost all my EL time in KF training and ive never see u around DemonCowboy, maybe u want to share with us your in game name? :P

like i said earlier, my comment was about him telling me what i know, when he doesn't was my point there. as far as my ingame name, it's the same. i'm recovering from a reset to actually b able to play in KF untill then i'm found in other places. u'll see me in there eventually. when i can get back to playing enough to actually get back to training.

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now if the personal attacks are over, can we get back to something constructive? i want to b able to agree w/ some of the more honorable guilds, on what should b "outlawed"and what shouldn't that way every1 comes to a compromise and can all b on the same page.

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that was atlantis that tried to tell me to shut up and that part was to him.

 

 

now can we get back on topic please? if u don't want to contribute that's fine, but y try to interupt the thread for those that do?

 

if u don't think it's possible or whatever, then ignore it, if u'r right it will just eventually disappear from conversation.

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This topic is doomed to failure in my humble opinion, since it was created to make a set of comunity regulations about an issue which is inherently chaotic, to have few rules in pk is the way of pk.

 

People usually only acknowledge the rules of the game and the rules of theirs guild when entering pk maps.

 

And some arguments of "oh, nobody should fight people weaker because its unfair, etc", i would like to discuss.

Nobody started the game with his/her stats at high levels (well some char buyers did, so they needed real life $$$ to build up his/her char), so its unfair someone cant use his skills. Nobody would say "hey its unfair, its too easy for you, you should make cuisses only" if LochnessLobster made a leather pants.

Its not fault of the attacker if his/her enemy has low stats either. If the low stats guy dont want to be attacked why he made an enemy?

Edited by Lorck

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I totally agree Lorck... I have spent over a year getting to my level...(other players have spent much longer)...

For the first 4 or 5 months I avoided PK maps..as I expected to be killed if I entered....I even had to get a guild escort to complete the wine quest... as i needed to wear mm cape....(and i was so tense and nervouse that we would be attacked..lol..as happened the only people we saw were fem orcs and a fluffy).

 

In my opinion..there are plenty of places to get all the harvestable stuff that are not PK..especially now with c2 available.. And if people want to risk doing this in PK map..then they also must risk death...no matter who dishes it out.

 

I believe that this thread is starting to go in circles now...but I have a feeling that it will drag on..as some seem intent on getting the last word in... :blink:

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This topic is doomed to failure in my humble opinion, since it was created to make a set of comunity regulations about an issue which is inherently chaotic, to have few rules in pk is the way of pk.

 

People usually only acknowledge the rules of the game and the rules of theirs guild when entering pk maps.

the whole point of this thread is to create something that the "lawful" and honorable guilds to agree on what is honorable and lawful

 

In my opinion..there are plenty of places to get all the harvestable stuff that are not PK..especially now with c2 available.. And if people want to risk doing this in PK map..then they also must risk death...no matter who dishes it out.

umm maybe u should try reading this blog entry again http://eternal-lands.blogspot.com/2006/05/...in-el-soon.html i "heard"well b4 this announcement that this was in the works. and that gives this thread more relevance now.

 

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and fy1 ALOT of other games have negative consequences for picking on ppl too weak. from experiences concequences to flat out lvl restrictions. and ive seen calls for this in the dev suggestion forums. making it a community thing is a better option imo, but u can wait for enough complaints that something like that gets added <shrug> it's u'r choice. at least as a community issue they could still get broken - as coded lvl restrictions they can't.

 

as far as ppl only following game rules and guild rules - that's not completely true. the "rules" concerning DBs aren't game rules, and more than just ppl in guilds follow them 1ce they know about them. it's the same principle. plus it gives the option for ppl that choose to to break those rules because they won't b enforced by mods because they won't b game rules, just what the majority of the community decides.

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I cant understand how some people who never gone to pk maps can set ethics for stuff they cant fully understand.

Almost all guilds attack only enemies guild while training pvp, i think this is the major ethics there exist today. Also bagjumping/scamming in pk maps is considered outlawish too.

If you attack only enemies you gain "a bonus" for extra honor in Lorck's book, but most major pk guilds does not follow this.

Other than that i dont know any "ethics" in pk, and some people alien to pk environment certainly cant hope to regulate stuff.

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well when i took over this thread, it was aimed at players that DO see them, more speciffically the guilds that claim to b honorable. that way they could all discuss and come to a consensus on what is honorable and what isn't. when all of them agree on such things it will b easier for everybody to know who's who.

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because it will set a principle and makd for better politics between the honorable guilds. 1ce things r agreed to doesn't mean every1 will follow - just look at RL international politics...lol countries break THOSE rules all the time too. doesn't mean they don't help though.

 

oh and a fun fact: since this thread was started i have read yet another call for lvl restricted combat

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