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The first mention of the case I want to show was in the thread (from the first posts): http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=54714 But there the conversation was not finished and no conclusion had been made. I try shoot Phantom Warriors with Xbow and Short Bow with training bolts/arrows and PK bolts/arrows. What the damage I can deal to them when I get critical shot ? (Noncritical shot on them deals zero dd in any case of weapon/quiver. No exceptions to me.) (The info below is taken from http://www.el-wiki.net/Ranging ) I'm 38 ranger lvl so I have to get +7 dd bonus (+1 per 5 lvls) XBow - 14-19 dd Short Bow - 3-8 dd training arrow/bolt - 0 dd PK arrow/bolt - 30 dd I have the Wilhelm Hood perk - 15% bonus Calculations (rounded down): Short Bow with trainings: min (0+3+7)*1.15 = 11 ; max (0+8+7)*1.15 = 17 Short Bow with PK arrows: min (30+3+7)*1.15 = 46 ; max (30+8+7)*1.15 = 51 XBow with trainings: min (0+14+7)*1.15 = 24 ; max (0+19+7)*1.15 = 29 XBow with PK bolts: min (30+14+7)*1.15 = 58 ; max (30+19+7) = 64 The first three strings here are confirmed with the tests in RoT. The ranges of the damages are exactly I've calculated, but the XBow+PKbolts calculation is wrong. According it I have to oneshot them or left with 1-2hp (the full hp of PhW is 60), but it's not true: really I deal 52-58 dd only. What's wrong ? If we try to recalculate back the experimental results we'll get: min 52/1.15 = 46 ; max 58/1.15 = 51 (rounded up) Substract my level dd bonus (-7): min 39 ; max 44 Substract dd of XBow: 39-14 = 44-19 = 25 It means that the damage of the PK bolt is 25, not 30. The conclusion: or the real PK bolts has 25 damage, not 30; either the calculation of damage with XBow+PKbolts has the inner error. More play with crossbow showed these damage: Trainings: 24 - 25 - 26 - 28 - 29 PK bolts: 52 - 54 - 56 - 57 - 58 May be due to low statistical data I've not got 27, 53, 55. But it's possibility for another explanation also Also I found no difference in dd between regular XBow and the Marksman one. And we have no more choises to check PK bolts in action for now. If we reread the first post of the topic I'd linked above, we'll find the similar dd calculation error with XBow+PKbolts. Keep in mind that the damage of Crossbow was 10-15 dd that time. And there is +5 dd of level bonus (ran 28). The experimental result range is got lower by 5 dd too. P.S.: While tests new EL day had started and I'd got grapes from a PhW. Nice reward for the investigation