Moebius

Reasoning Removal - EVTR Iron Methinks this is no point, btw. I got 2 modable s2e's in 50, 2 EFE's in 2k, no EFE in 30k... Random is random, friends

I've seen price of bones raise heavily last month... It's hard to get it under 2.5 gc each. Provided you don't want to "harvest" skellies I just thought: 5 bones = 50 food = 15 gc 1 FP = 50 food = 12-15 gc So... if bones are going that expensive, should I go back to FP's? Does the cooldown affect so much? And if respones are affirmative... Is there an IEDP removal stone? Let's see... PS: (Mushroom eaters, your oppinion doesn't count, so much venom in your brains made them useless ).

Making iron plate parts = throwing EFE's. But why complaining? Making anything that requires bars in manu is throwing gc to the sink (steel chains, nearly any sword...). I want an NPC buying everything for decent prices!!!

I'm in! Name: Moebius Gender: male Pregnancy: no (Didn't know that was neccesary, MagpieLee... )

I bet someone already said, but... The sum of all NPC's in EL should be able to buy EVERY "FINISHED" ITEM ingame (not ingreds), for the sum of the price of the ingredients. That price should be determined by the actual NPC prices for ingreds. As an example, the formula written above. That way, we wouldn't have to actually PAY for every exp we want to get on the "Finished item" skills (craft/eng/manu/tailor/alch/pot/summ). There's too many manu'ers, too little buyers. We need an item sink, and fast. Pure fighters, imagine you have to pay money for every and each exp you want to get. And I don't mean items to degrade (I lose stuff with criticals too, from time to time). I mean, in example, 10gc per 1k exp (which is less than I lose for a leather helm in manu school, and I get around 100 exp). And on top of it, exp is slow. And you complain about the drops... I wish a leather helm dropped me 1 gc everytime I make one...

Well, that's it. Starting price: 200kgc Buy now price: 480kgc End of auction: 17th August, around 23:00 GMT Items willing to accept: Artificer cape: 240kgc Please note I do have the right not to sell the bars if I don't like the final offer I get. The best bidder should contact me via PM (Moebius ingame) or Gossip if I'm not online on 17th evening. You can also contact Fedora. Thanks and good luck!

Been thinking about this one for a long time. I know thread making is a pain, but good for crafters, more at the beginning because of the low exp. I consider myself mainly a manu'er, and making thread would be much better if at least I got manu exp from it (since the leather helm making means ruin now with 2 gc per thread). I know crafting is a hard skill but now, as a manu'er, to level you have 2 options: bars and swords, which is mad (been making for a week and got only one level... and I'm 43...) or leather, which means a total ruin. Well, there it goes the poll, just a suggestion.

I'd like to make a suggestion: Until the new swords are enchantable, I'd keep a couple of swords (or at least the titanium axe) with a artificial nexus of 7, so in the meantime, we, the crazy ones who spent those pickpoints, can take some advantage... In case that someone needs a titanium axe these days Just an idea

Ok sorry, didn't notice that it was not an EL map, and that this is not the place to ask . I'll try ttlanhil's solution. Thanks anyway!

My EL client crashes when I click the TAB button to show the map, but that only happens to me when I'm walking in Aeth Alfan. It's not a big problem, I can walk normally, but if anyone knows why it can be... WinXP Pro, on a Laptop with nice graphic cards and all that... Last version and maps downloaded from CEL website (nice site, guys!). Have fun!

Ok, I'm coming from Underworld, so wait. Yes, there is a risk. Bagjumpers. My oppinion, clear and simple. EOF

So you suggest that a new player that wants to be... say crafter... should quit before starting. Because otherwise, how can he make the hundreds of k's of exp required to make a decent craft article? Same with manu and all skills... I mean... the exp levels involve mass production, and you know it. We all hate it being that way (or at least I do) but that's how it go, you need to work it to get levels. The example I was using before with steel longs, let's take it further. I'll call it EL without NPC's (it's a scary story someone told me once) I make steel longs to raise manu, but Savyl suggests we need no NPC's. That makes that the mass production in EL (unavoidable, I can bet) can provide me with endless amounts of bars, because there's no Lakeside bar selling anymore. Ok, people fail more, but well, we all thought cooldown would be a revolution and it wasn't, losing more ingreds just wouldn't be appreciable. Ok, endless amount of bars... price drops to 10-20gc. Maybe lower, because there's no bottom price for bars. But there's no NPC to sell swords to. So I'll have to make my own bars to avoid losing money, provididng that someone is going to make bars for 10-20 gc each. Ok, I make FE's. Before the no-NPC idea FE's were 3 each, so I'd lose money on most bars, because there's no NPC to buy bars. So I'd have preferred to sell FE's for 3 each rather than making bars for Lakeside Village if there was no NPC there. Ok, no magic shop buying FE's for 3gc, no blacksmith to buy my bars for 25-40gc, no Trik to buy my swords for 450. I end up with k's and k's of useless swords in my storage, 0 gc (no bottom price for swords). And I remind you the hard work involved (I'm trying to make 1k steel longs, would be tit shorts if Trik bought them or longs if there was no EFE's). So, conclussion: I'll do some Blue Lupines rounds in PL... OH! THERE'S NO NPC BUYING FLOWERS! Ok, I have to quit. There's no economy at all. Byebyeeee

Well, as I'm mainly a manu'er, I'll give my oppinion about manu'ing: Let's see, a manu'er can use leather to level up, or bars. There's no way to sell 1.5k leather helms because they're useless with the cheap iron helms, so Trik is the only way to go. Bars are a huge pain to make, and I'd like to buy them from other players. But then, you realize this: the only sword I can mass-sell for a decent price is Steel Long. It's price is 450gc. 12 steel bars and 2 iron bars cam be sold to NPC for 30 and 25 gc each. Total ingredients price for steel long sword: 360 + 50 + 12 = 422 gc. Now, try to find someone who sells bars at NPC price. It's really hard, no one sells steel under 35 or iron under 30. And I understand it, making them is hard. So here we have a problem: ingredients cost more than the final product, so leveling is a pain. And that's the better case, Iron Sword and Iron Broad are throwing around 200-300 gc on each click on mix button. So, why not raise Trik prices and make him buy every armor / weapon in the game? Does that sound so strange? I mean... someone said that the reason why prices are low is that there's no money in the game. I disagree. I can produce enough leather items in 1-2 days to satisfy the whole EL community's needs of a week (exaggerated? maybe, but close to). That's too much offering for such a low demand. Same for alchemists, potion makers or crafters, I'd say. Not lack of money, excess of products. And about the summoning, I'd say that there should be some kind of fight NPC near any summon arena that "likes" or "needs" summons for something, and pays you a quantity of gold coins for each summon? Maybe too hard to make, just an idea... I saw Graham's arena and it looks like a summoning duel place. That, mixed with bets, could produce money too. Well, anyway, my main idea is there, and it's not only for manu, it's for all stuff, NPC's should buy all items in game. That way, everything would have a bottom price, as FE's. Back to game to let you criticise my idea for a while

After having a long discussion yesterday with him, ATIsapphire apologised, and promised to me that he was going to change his mind and be anice player from now on. I really think he feels bad about what he did and well, everyone should have a 2nd opportunity. He joined Gwar and all the items stolen were returned to it's owner, so welcome, new ATIsapphire

Well, nearly self explanatory. I've been asking in market for 2-3 days and no answer (not even a "I'll sell you this for... 250k" or things like that). Just wondering how that rare they are.