Salus

AboveNet was having troubles earlier in the day, i know 1: slash.home (192.168.10.3) 0.149ms pmtu 1500 1: new-host.home (192.168.10.1) 2.196ms 2: Wireless_Broadband_Router.home (192.168.1.1) 4.649ms 3: L100.VFTTP-17.PHLAPA.verizon-gni.net (72.78.115.1) asymm 4 20.643ms 4: P2-3.LCR-01.PHLAPA.verizon-gni.net (130.81.39.22) 22.047ms 5: so-6-0-0-0.PEER-RTR1.NY111.verizon-gni.net (130.81.17.129) asymm 9 25.684 ms 6: so-0-3-1.mpr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.13.33) asymm 10 27.338ms 7: so-0-0-0.mpr1.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.27.237) asymm 11 28.051ms 8: no reply 9: no reply 10: no reply 11: no reply 12: no reply 13: no reply 14: no reply 15: no reply 16: no reply 17: no reply 18: no reply 19: no reply 20: no reply 21: no reply 22: no reply 23: no reply 24: no reply 25: no reply 26?: game.eternal-lands.com (62.93.225.47) asymm 15 reached Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 26 back 15 Delaware, US Disco'd twice now for a minute or two each.

Then I suggest at some point in the future you work on your detection system. Not only is it incorrect, but it must be poorly planned. Your constant accusations of me attempting to macro harvest (which earlier you had said was harvesting AND mixing) are pretty poorly based when all you have is that the detection system said so, when you yourself have said that it cannot be 100% accurate. Had it logged more information when it suspected something, you would see all the stated misclicks, chats, forgotten pauses, etc. At first you stalled in making your claim of what happened, and just made a /very/ broad accusation. Afterwords, it took this long after a request that you check the logs for you to say it only logs what is suspicious. I understand you play god, but do it right. Be able to back up your claims. You are still wrong, sorry. I'd gladly do what I could to provide more proof (besides, again, all the stated chatting and errors), but you provide very little basis to work off of. For now it is one player taking the trouble from it. Yes, there is a first for everything, assuming this is indeed the first, but later, given time, there will be more. It's a shame that you can't go through better logs to see all the errors in your accusations. I am curious, in your claims, are you thinking I was afk through this, too? If so, i'm sure ch. 4 can verify that I'm always freaking there. Reguardless of whether or not you think it was afk, better logs would show you otherwise... an oversight on the part of a dev/mod should not come down on a player.

Right.. Any update as to whether you have or will look through logs by hand to see that nothing was automated?

The storage dialogue was not fine, by your own words. And you continue to talk about automation of these things, but the fact remains that if you check your logs (your logs /do/ show times, don't they?) you will see human error, inconsistancies, and chatting throughout. It not a matter of belief on my part. I know what I did, I wasted my time trying to prepare one character for a reset while trying to make a bit of gc and HE on a character that otherwise was set up to not be a real moneymaker. It is a matter of a mod who won't check the logs to verify that, while he is 'teh god', he is also wrong in putting full faith in his system. Also, the issue of usage... if I were to automate mixing, I think I would have made more than the handfuls-of-HEs at a time that I made (to heal from harvesting) and a load of bars to help raise $$ for an arti. I imagine also logs may show what items are used and when. If so, they'll show the couple times I tried to refill my food and kept it at an annoying -10ish because I kept forgetting to eat again while I was on the other character, and they'll show the times I've tried things I've heard elsewhere about combining fruits and toadstools when mixing. If I were to automate harvesting, I wouldn't have been sitting around chatting in local the night before (or random comments at other points about MN and her deeds: most other harvesters I've met weren't as talkative as the pair I was chatting with the night before). Sure, I harvested a lot. That's part of what a reset needs. Also, that's a large part of why I ran two characters at once. It avoided the irritation of just watching a number go up over and over while not doing much of anything except wait for red text. A lot of harvesting and a bit of mixing doesn't prove a thing, though. I'm blind to any other 'evidence' you have, but I do know there is plenty of evidence supporting me. What the hell kind of fun would the game be to automate harvesting? I'd rather go find some RL entertainment than watch a number rise repeatedly. Our issues in the past were, as was explained, a matter of playing with the code to explore and just generally play with it. I had never really used it much at that point, just debugging, and stopped at the point when a mod (i believe it was Soldus, though I'm not sure) had called me out on it. Someone else continued to use it, sure, but I did not, and have not since. In your next reply, would you mind updating me on if you've hand-checked any of this instead of just relying on the code in question?

You've admitted that nothing is fully reliable, but continued with your assumption that it is... There is a first for everything, which is part of the reason I had PMed first instead of posting here. I saw it as beneficial as there was an error, and you don't seem like the type to want it seen that there could be. I was hoping maybe you would look into it to realize that while I did have many things down to a seemingly mechanical level, that is a large part of the game (harvesting, mixing), and there was plenty of other details that would be ludicrous to put into a bot... like sitting and chatting while making any errors I may make. And yes, I did promise. That is why I was cautious and asked a while back about the small change I wanted to make about the storage dialogue.

Everything has 100% reliability when that claim is made. The only way to be less than 100% reliable is to look into the possibility when there could have been error. I've presented my case that (provided your logs have it for you) I've messed up plenty of times, lost track of my character when on the other, chatted often, and made the best out of keypresses provided (and window placement for that matter). You seemed reluctant to explain what happened in the first place, both in PM and in forum. I understand my name may not have rang the best to you, as I've been in this forum in the past, but I'm pretty certain you wouldn't just be out to get someone for no reason. However, I ask that you (or any other moderator willing to provide the time, I would appreciate it, though I understand most would have better things to do) see what you can discover through any logs. No developer wants to accept a fault in their work, but it's good practice to accept the possibility. The only things I've done afk were mapwalking, harvesting, and idling... not continuing past those things, just starting them, leaving them, and hoping for the best. From our conversations in the past, I hope you've noticed I took pride in programming, not necessarily the "getting it to work" so much as any creative side to it. My point here is that if I see I'm locked anyway, and you already told me it would stay that way, sure, I would admit it if it was the case... just as I did before for a person who only wanted to try coming back to the game for a little bit. It was not even for my own benefit that I admitted it before. The reason I am not "smart enough to admit, or at least STFU about it" is because I've worked hard and made a legit character that got locked on me.

But I did not. If this is a matter of quantities, I play the game day and night as RL has been a drag lately. If your logs can show misclicks and whatnot, I believe this will verify. There are points when I would switch back to the screen and accidentally stop my own harvesting because the number didn't seem to go up quick enough and I was trying to restart it. I walk in, set first person so the mouse will stay centered, then use my window manager's keybindings to switch desktops. With that, I could come back and just click because I was already pointed at what i wanted to harvest. When manufacturing, I'd mix all and sometimes switch to check on my other's harvesting. Especially late nights for me, if the logs are specific enough, you will see that I sometimes forget about one or the other and it will just sit for a couple minutes losing food. Yes, I do play the game a lot... probably more than someone should be playing a game, and yes, I have gotten it down to a tedium when it comes to harvesting two characters, but I believe you can at least see from logs that I am pretty regular to be active on chat while playing, and that I do occassionally mess up my patterns (especially coming back, seeing I stopped harvesting and starting my trip back to realize that I wasn't actually full, just broke a pick or something... boy I hated doing that... or forgetting to eat and never actually filling my food level like I intended). A thought occurs to me that I do (did) use the patch for the blank maps so I could mark my spots. When a spot felt 'lucky', I'd mark it so that I'd return to just that right spot again. If it's a matter of me often being in the same spot, that would be why... I'm not sure what goes to the server in terms of map clicks, but if that can be checked, you'll see I'm often clicking around trying to get my destination X right on top of my marker X. I thought the patches to the cvs were legal as they were provided in the same place as cvs, and if they were not, I do apologize for that, and accept that it would have been an oversight of the rules on my part, though far from macro'ing. I've got ctrl+(usually)1 and mouse positioning burned into my brain, and just keep flipping back and forth on characters. It made me productive. It was not automation, just old-fashioned playing-a-game-way-too-much... I do appreciate the little extra information you've provided, but I still have to disagree as to its accuracy. I do wish you wouldn't insist that I think the mods are idiots, as I've said very forward that I do not, and I have respect on many different levels (concept/creation of the game in the first place, getting a playerbase, getting a dev/mod-base, keeping the game advancing, etc). The only negative thing I can really say is not that you are idiots, but maybe a bit quick to be so sure about what happened, as I feel like so much of the boring time prepping my characters for what I feel are the fun parts just came back and bit me in the ass..

I was not asking how something was detected. I was asking what I was accused of. I've only been told "macroing", and I'd like to know more of my accusations. In the past, I've seen other people told more specifically what the accusation was, but you have not told me any more than that. You just keep insisting I think you are an idiot, when in fact I said very specifically I do not and would just like to know my accusations. Of course there is the need to not explain how you guys detect it, and I can respect that, but I haven't been asking where you got your information. I've been asking what this information is. And the "I was willing to let you play your other characters if you did so legally"... all i've done was pick up a couple bags on while waiting for a response in PM. Surely that is legal, so why would that no longer be an option. I'm scratching my head here...

I was running 2 clients on 2 desktops, and missed a PM from Radu that "he sees me". I was there to respond after switching back and finding myself disconnect. A short conversation on a different character reveals that I'm using a macro... but all I've done was harvest silver, toy some with the first person view of cvs clients, and read forums while waiting. Could I please have some more details on the situation, as this forum section was a place I was hoping not to be in again, and I'm not really sure what's up... Salus, TheShocker

Now, it's been a long time, and I no longer have the hard drive. so I can't say exactly. (and I'm forced to use windows (vista, even) now, which I'd rather just /not/ program then...) Basically, though, I started by dumping any incoming/outgoing packets and translating them as i understood them, giving me a verbose output of all the communication. When i found the dialogue communications, i just made a call early in the processing of the command to compare what was received with that format, and if it matched (and a variable was set to on in the options), a success message would trigger the callback for the manufacture button. Somewhere in there, though, it often lost track, and a success message would come, but the script would not respond... (maybe i responded too quick for the server to beleive? i dunno). That's about where I left off on it, for frustration and the fact that I started playing with the graphics and other minimal but useful stuff (the most useful thing that came out of it was being able to skip the hello at storage). I was still curious about why it hadn't worked, and still poked around, but by then I knew the code better and was working with other more interesting things.

Just learning the structure of this particular project. And yes, scripting it was quite easy, but difficulty wasn't the point ("hello world"). Most of what my modified source did were little things like rotating the name/health with the camera, allowing me to disable the hello for the storage and get right to the storing, a local buddy list (because it was not fully implemented in cvs at the time), some debugging hooks, and if i recall, i changed some window placement kind of things... I think some of them went into the main source. The scripting was just to get familiar with the dialogue stuff. And because it was while I was still learning the structure of everything, there were bugs, and it was never really anything more than something to debug. The interest was in playing with the source more than using it... conceptual. Never really had enough of a drive for a huge mega-character to not just play the game and have fun getting there; that's why I'd brought a friend into it in the first place. She basically debugged for me a bit (her computer has always ran the game /way/ different than mine in graphic and input bugs and whatnot, so I was curious as to if it worked on there)

Salus, the creator here of the macro'ing here. Had her search this up (looking at the titles, figured there was already a thread), and there was already a thread about this. Says you want to know where she got it and whatnot, well, right here. Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that the modifications didn't get included in a patch I had sent in. As to how it was created, I'm going to hold off on an explanation until I'm told a method to contact someone.... don't wanna teach people to get banned. At that point, I'll gladly do my best to explain what I remember (this was over a year ago, on a dead harddrive). My character was never locked or anything for this, though when Sapientia was locked, I stopped playing. I'd like ultimately for us both to come out unlocked, though I'm not completely sure I have any plan to really play the game myself anyway. Thanks, Salus

I had this trouble on my laptop (mobility U1 also). look in find_font_char in font.c. where it uses a glColor3f(r,g,, make it glColor4f(r,g,b,1.0) don't know why it works but it does.