Doc_Savage

I will try to explain this one last time. There is no need to spend 5 hours walking around to discover NPC prices. The people in the Cel guild have already done this for the community and then posted all of the information on their website. If you still choose to walk around to each NPC that is great. I just want you to understand just how difficult you are making a very simple task. Doc

There is supposedly someone "actively managing" trinitybot on the other server and his prices are wrong almost all of the time...if he even has a price for it. Doc **edit: and yes, cel website is much easier than walking back and forth to wsc to check prices like you were doing.

http://www.el-cel.com/info/items.php?Set=Potion it's your friend. and almost quicker than typing a command to a bot that gets it wrong way too often. i would personally like to see a tool npc on the pk server before i see another bot. Doc P.S. i would like to see gossip back before the tool npc!

As we all have discovered, enriched essence and stones have been very hard to come by. Many different items use these items, primarily I believe, as an item sink on the main server. Molds and other items have no use on this server because it is too expensive to risk enriched essence and stones on items that aren't guaranteed to last for more than a couple hundred uses. Since it would be too difficult to change the formulas on this server, I would like to suggest an npc that sells some of these molds and items that contain many of the enriched essence and stone. My main qualm is with the arrow/bolt head mold. To create one, which is necessary to make any arrow with the engineering skill, it takes 1 wolf bar, 1 efe and 1 ewe. It is ridiculous to risk that many precious items on an object that could break after a dozen uses. Since gc is easier to make on this server, I would much rather buy a mold at some cost rather than spend these rare items to make the mold that need to be used on other things. This is just one of the many tools and items that are an unbelievably high cost for this server. If people can post other items they would like for this npc and/or whether they even like this idea I would appreciate it. Doc

Great idea, pip. The prices need to be high enough on the pk server where it is not a complete gimme anyway. I highly doubt that people on the other server would pay to buy the tools. Even if they do choose to buy them, the amount of money that would be taken out of the game would probably more than make up for the stones that weren't used. Doc

Problem is that, if we had several hundred people on this server, we wouldn't need this npc to sell tools that require rare items. We are running into a wall over here where there are so few rare stones being found because there are so few people. When a rare stone is found, if it is not a rostogol (I think yaser found his 5th today) no one is crazy enough to use it on a tool that could possibly break in 10 uses. Invasionmeters are a great example. Lots of people have made EMEs because of magic training. I still can't sell an invasionmeter for the life of me with the loads of EMEs on this server because no one wants to risk a 1/10 break...very similar to tools. With a few hundred people on this server we would no longer have any use for an npc because there would be a lot more rare stones found. I am not a programming but I can understand how difficult it would to keep several versions of a single game under control. I just saw that yous guys had the ability to pull the NPCs from here that sold the great armor so I assumed that you could do a tool npc as well. Thanks so much for your time and looking at this post though. Doc

I am not arguing for the set price of a tool right now, just the tool itself. Entropy will figure out a fair price for each tool individually AFTER we discuss and decide on the possibility of the npc in general. I and the other players who agree with me are simply asking for a discussion on the possibility of a new npc and what it could carry, not how much it will cost. Doc

How are we ever going to establish a market on this server if no one can afford the tools to create the product? There is no way I would ever risk 1 wolf bar, 1 EFE and 1 EWE for an arrow/bolt mold that could only lasts 20 uses. I would much rather pay 7k gc for that mold and take the chance of it breaking rather than being forced to use not just 1 rare item but 3. These tools were created as an item sink for the main server. We don't have that problem on the pk server. An npc that sells the tools will do two things. 1. create a market that is not there on the pk server as of now. -there are many rangers and other skills that would love to buy from another player if they had the tools to make the items that they need. 2. create a money sink rather than an item sink -I don't particularly think we need a sink at all on either server but I am in total agreement that there is no use for an item sink on the pk server. There just aren't enough people playing to produce the amount of rare items. I don't agree with enriched essence being sold on this server either and this is not what this npc is going to do. Rather, it is going to allow for the skills that Entropy has worked so hard at creating to be completed. Doc

I run 10.5.3 off of my macbook. With (I think) and Intel GMA 950 graphics card. I would post the contents of my library files but I have looked everywhere and I don't have one. I have looked in my library files and there is no Eternal Lands folder at all. GL_ARB_multitexture extension found, using it. GL_ARB_texture_env_combine extension found, using it. Couldn't find the GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array extension, not using it... Couldn't find the GL_ARB_point_sprite extension, not using it... GL_ARB_texture_compression extension found, using it. GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc extension found, using it. GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap extension found, using it. GL_ARB_shadow extension found, using it. GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object extension found, using it. GL_EXT_framebuffer_object extension found, using it. GL_EXT_draw_range_elements extension found, using it. GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two extension found, using it. GL_ARB_fragment_program extension found, using it. GL_ARB_vertex_program extension found, using it. GL_ARB_fragment_shader extension found, using it. GL_ARB_vertex_shader extension found, using it. GL_ARB_shader_objects extension found, using it. GL_ARB_shading_language_100 extension found, using it. GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat extension found, NOT using it... GL_ARB_texture_rectangle extension found, NOT using it... GL_EXT_fog_coord extension found, NOT using it... Couldn't find the GL_ATI_texture_compression_3dc extension, not using it... Couldn't find the GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc extension, not using it... Not using vertex program for actor animation. I have basically everything turned on that I can in the options menu. If you need any more information from me, just let me know. Thanks Doc **update: I ran spotlight and searched for error_log.txt. all that it came up with is a few webpages from el that had that phrase in it. If I create an Eternal Lands folder in my library file with an error_log.txt would that fix that issue or is it something that wasn't DLed correctly?

Not sure what I might be doing wrong, but by looking at some of the pics that other people have posted, I do not have a sky. I have turned everything on and updated the client with Fed's updater. All I see are the reflections of the clouds in the water then from the horizon up there is a light blue "wall" and then above that a stark white "wall". I see no clouds at all except in the water. Doc

I also just thought about the alembic being sold at this npc. Thankfully we have mercury in kf so it is not the most important tool but it still could be considered. I am sure there are several people on this server who would eat the money for the alch exp that mercury gives.......so many tools unused, would be wonderful to have this npc. Doc

I like to think that I agree with everything a benevolent dictator tells me to do....helps with morale. Doc

I am with Sy on this one. For the first time in a long time, I logged on to the main server to get an approximate pc for an item I am going to try and sell here. I logged on to the market channel and was revolted at the amount of useless spam constantly posted on the m channel by bots. We agreed initially no bots and I feel we should keep to our word here. Different time zones aren't a big deal here. Post what you are selling on eternal_broker and arrange for a friend to pick up the items for you. The great thing about the pk community is that, most of us, love teamwork and help out our fellow brother. Just give it a shot before we all decide that we need a bot per character. Doc

I was just wondering if the percentage chance of enriched essence is the same on the pk server as it is on the normal server? If this were so I would be interested in hearing if everyone would want the percentages slightly easier to make an enriched essence here or not. I agree in not having enriched essence sold through the shop, I like them rare, but are the current percentages too rare? Just a thought Doc

Magic is a unique skill in that it mandates you be a certain level before you can cast a spell. I propose that this be the same as in summoning since, just as magic, summoning is a very important and useful skill in pking. I would be interested to see a new poll with the option of summoners being required to have certain summoning levels before the use of a stone could be possible. With this vote I would also anticipate that stones be brought back to a 1 stone 1 summon rather than 1 and 4. I think this third option would solve a lot of the issues at the present time -it would lessen the chances of stones being used at this early in the game while people can't defend themselves properly. -it would allow for the much needed summoning experience later on in the game if stones were still in the game. -allow for more strategy in pk rather than just lucky chance with the summon stones being brought back to a 1 and 1 chance of summoning. I would have voted for this option if it were on the poll. Let me know what everyone else thinks. Doc

well i suggest you get your alc and manu up so you can make them or join with others and work at it together thats what this game is about or am i wrong just my views guys Handyman I am so glad you get my point. Obviously you can see how ridiculous it would be to remove iron helms from the game just because I don't have one. Just as you tell me to get my alch and manu up to make helms you can do the same with bear stones! Go out there and train so you can defeat the bear stones and kill the summoner. It is just as easy, if not easier, to do that as it is to train alch and manu to make iron helms. Better yet, in your words exactly, "join with others and work at it together"....to defeat summoning stones..."thats what this game is about or am i wrong" What I used was a technic called sarcasm to demonstrate how stupid a subject is and then draw parallels to another issue to show just how stupid that issue is too. I am glad you understand now. Doc

Lets argue about this for 3 more weeks. By then all of the trainers will be able to easily kill a bear and this entire thread will be moot. It is a bear for goodness sake. Just suck it up for a little while. How about we spend time training rather than posting on the forums. With all of the time you spend here denouncing the bear stones you could be working on beating them. How fun and surprising would it be for someone to summon a bear stone on you and you kick it to hell like it was nothing and then go after the summoner. I guarantee you it will feel like the first time you ever pked someone in the top 5. It will be worth it so just grin and bear (pun intended) it for now. Doc

I vote we remove iron helms from the server because I don't have one yet! Guys this is stupid and immature....keep it as is......better yet, change the ratio back to 1 and 1. Who would of thought that the first issue debated on the pk server would be bear stones "0mg0z0rz pk is ded b/c of teh st0nes!!!" Doc

Bene is really not part of this problem except for the fact that we were doing this to raise his emu. We had a guild project to make 10k steel bars that we were going to turn into hydro bars. Our first objective was to gather all of the ingredients and that would not be possible on Bene as he has low emu. We used an alt char of one of our guildies to store all of the 10k steel bar ingredients. After that was finished the alt char doled out portions of the ingredients to each player that wanted to alch the bars and then we gave the bars that we made either back to the alt or to our manuer gizz. We had no idea that this process was illegal. I do understand where this could/should be considered cheating however I believe the other accusations are warrantless. Doc

I understand what you are saying and I will no longer speak for them. I just felt that this in part my fault because I am the person that created many of those huge bags for them to mule out. I don't know if that can be seen from your logs but, when I came back to EL in January, all I did was mainly harvest huge quantities of ingredients and then give the ingredients to them as gifts of friendship. I have gained almost 26 harvest levels since January but only 4-5 a/d levels in that time due to the massive amount of harvesting that I have done for them. I asked them to mule out the items for me and when we meet at storage for them to give it to me, I never show up, lol. It is just one of the things that I enjoy doing in this game since I have been back. I understand that I can not see the logs and this may not be what you are talking about at all but I just wanted you to understand why I feel compelled to defend my friends and myself in this incident. I no longer have my old harvest quantity statistics, due to buying a new computer, but I am sure that you can see even now that my harvesting to monster kills is completely lopsided. Please look at my storage to note that I don't have hardly any of those ingredients that I have harvested in my storage. **joking** I think the main reason for all of this is that you are scared that I will one day pass your harvest level while you are dealing with this black hole portion of the forums. **joking** lol. But in all truthfulness, I do not envy your job here on this forum and I have the utmost respect for all the work you put into this game. Doc *edit: I may have restarted my EL life in December, I can not remember the exact date, but please feel free to check and compare my harvesting quantity with what has happened.

Again, we apologize and are very regretful that we had not stayed up to date with the fluidity of the sub rules and forum topics. That is our fault for not staying up to date with either and we ask for your forgiveness and understanding on this issue. Gizz and Shandra are good friends of mine and with most of the EL community. I believe that it is a fairly well known fact in the EL community that they are married in real life and carry on that precious relationship in game. The bag muling and IP trading that you have seen occur is from when they are both hauling out a bag of ingredients that I have harvested or hauling in ingredients to make bars at a later date. I am sure there have been numerous instances of this that you have seen, especially over the past few weeks, as this bar project has continued. I hope that you understand this unique IP situation that they have and give the same grace that you have done to other IP families in the past. If there are other instances that need to be sorted out I would love to continue this discussion on forums or in private PMs with you, Aislinn. Once again thank you for your patience in this matter and please accept our heartfelt apology. Doc

Once again, Aislinn, I thank you for your quick responses to our questions. I have been looking over the rules, specifically rule #5, and the part of the rule that I see that we have broken is this: 6.Guild storages will be considered as bots, even if they are not run by a program. They must be declared and registered on the official list. They will follow all ingame rules AND all bot rules. We indeed used a character that served as a guild storage for a project that was not declared an official bot. Please keep in mind that both Gizz and I have played for many years and that the rules have thus changed to incorporate many sub rules to the main rules. I completely understand that this was our fault for being lazy and not keeping up with the fluidity of the sub rules as we have continued to play this game. Please also keep in mind that many guilds use an extra character for the purpose of storing things such as an armory or bookkeeper for their guild. This is what we believed we were doing with this character. I am not trying to point out other guilds to use this as an excuse for why we did what we have done but I just wanted it to be acknowledged that this is a common guild process. Our goal through this single character was to be able to centralize the process of this huge guild project that we were undertaking. Most of us play at different times of the day and so in order to know how close we were to our goal we set up this character to take all of the mass harvested ingredients and then we were going to dole them out to our guildies to be made into bars once the harvesting was done. All of our guild leaders had access to this character so that they could log on and accept the ingredients donated by guildies. This was our intention during this project that we were undertaking and I hope that you see that we didn't know we were violating rules by generating a centralized guild storage. Once again, I hope that you can see that we were just doing what many other guilds do to create a centralized system to the guild. I hope that I have made myself clear in this matter. If you have any more questions, Aislinn, please feel free to ask away and I will try my utmost to explain the reasoning behind this situation. Thanks so much, Doc

Ed, thanks for trying your hardest but please don't worry about it. I have talked with Aislinn many times over the past four years that I have played and I know that she is very intelligent and understanding. I am confident that through talks with Gizz, Shandra and I that we will be able to sort this mess out and come to a conclusion. Thank you all for your support and know that we look forward to, hopefully, being back in the game soon with this all behind us. If that does not happen, we all appreciate the development of the game and watching the radical and fun changes that have made this game what it is today. Doc

Thank you, Aislinn for guiding me to this post. I would also like to apologize for any harm that was done during this guild project. We as a guild had no idea that what we were doing was wrong. We have a declared bot and were working on a guild project to make steel/hydro bars in hopes of raising his emu. I don't understand how this allowed us to have a gained benefit but, as the moderators of the game, you have the ultimate say in what has occurred. If there is any way that I can help resolve this issue whether by submitting logs or explaining further details. Please let me know. Doc

I made the switch to mac about 2 months ago and will never go back. It has been a wonderful experience and I really enjoy the system. I run the client on my macbook with 1 gig of ram and it runs like a dream. Doc_Savage