Daejin

Stop picking on Ent guys, he is only human! Despite what his profile says. I do agree there are problems, but i hardly think this is the way to go about making changes by having at each others throats.

I think Rehdon and Guy have summed up a better way to implement it.

http://col.daenet.ca/marketplace.php At this time mostly harvestables.

All Maps PK, with safe areas!

Hey what are everyone's thoughts of the minimap and the regular map feature. Personally when i first played this game back in 2005 I thought it kind of weird that one could simply pop open the map and go anywhere on it without any trouble. Now that we have a minimap, I use it with fog of war enabled, and I like it actually, gives more a mystery of what is around you, despite me actually knowing already where most of everything is. As well, what do people think about removing the regular map feature, and just leaving the large continent map in place? It might not do much for the experienced player, but would add more excitement to people who dont know the maps well yet. As well I dont know if its possible, but would it be hard to have the map markings show up in the minimap? If this has been posted before, please disregard

Personally, I would absolutely hate it. I do way to much map-walking to move from place-to-place to go back to clicking a few steps in front of me to move about. That would not be my idea of "fun" (which is why I play in the first place). Actually the minimap lets you click on it.

Since you are so concerned, I was tweaking the rank system last night, it was put up originally just to have something there. As well we do let non Christians join, but unless they are willing to explore Christianity they wont fit in very well. http://col.daenet.ca for changes. And we are new, things are going to change as things progress. Its also nice to see people reading this thread still

As the co-owner I would like to say yes, it was a argument that didn't need to happen. There is enough fighting going on in EL, and yes Morhwal did apologize. It seems to me that there was some mis-communication.

Actually Ill sell the 27k for 25k GC.

I am responsible for the last name change! LOL Sorry all! we were unsure of the guild situation, but have come to decision. The rules / guidelines aren't in stone yet, still developing them. We have website to be developed, among other interesting contests, ranking system, events, etc coming about as well.

Well he really should try and work on getting consistent power to his computer, but at the same time it seems like 2 minutes is a very long time for a heartbeat. As much as a low timeout could be abused, by the same token, the 2 minute TCP session could be hijacked, and all kinds of crazy hacks could be made knowing a timeout is that long. In theory someone could make a client, connect with official client, pull the plug or enable FW, load up a hacked client, and then connect without the server even knowing they were gone. Of course this is all theoretical. I wonder what the normal heartbeat is on other online games that deal in real time.

Not that I am a Scientology fan, but i haven't seen anyone here qualified to talk about religion. Broad observations without documented proof, evidence, or wisdom, is nothing but personal opinion. That site doesn't seem to provide any hard facts, just some letters, that may or may not be true, or may or may not be taken out of context.

Whether the PSU u are buying uses passive PFC or active PFC is also important. The end power produced in PSU with active PFC can be up to twice that of one without. Active Power Factor Correction <-- click to read about. I dont think TC intends to do this and i certainly advise against it, you do not end up with twice the memory speed (specifically using the work "speed" there, not "bandwidth") with a dual channel setup, in reality you'll be lucky to see a 30% increase. Not worth paying double. Im just saying bang for the buck, dual channel packages are cheap now, for the bit of extra speed, you might as well. Plus he quoted a corsair dual channel memory pack for 53 USD ??? so i think that is well worth the money, thats dirt cheap for 2 Gigs. Here i massively disagree... I consider ASUS second in quality control only to TYAN in the desktop end of the market. (with the exception of the motherboards ASUS produce for HP, which ASUS admits use a different manufacturing process). The amount of systems i've sold with ASUS motherboards in them (some personally built, some not) goes into the hundreds... i also worked as the warranties officer at a high throughput PC components business.(Side note: In my experience the most unreliable mobo manufacturer (over the years at least) is Gigabyte.) How many ASUS motherboards have you seen (personally) fail Daejin? Often people are put off by 1 or 2 bad experiences with a company, and it turns out it was just really bad luck. Actually I have been around since the 8088 days, and asus has been around for a long time, so yes i have seen alot of defunct asus boards including my own, and i have also owned a couple good ones, but im not saying asus is all bad you just have to do your research, cause as i said they are hit and miss at times. That's certainly good advice. TC if you find you're running out of memory then u can always add more later, I have 2GB and find it to be fine, and run lots of EL clients, MySQL DB server, a bunch of other stuff. Start with 2GB imo. Dont forget to mention all the compatibility issues with existing 32bit software when u run XP/Vista 64-bit... and that not a lot of software companies, in the Windows world, seem to be in a rush to get 64 bit versions of their apps out. No need to jump the gun, 32 bit Windows versions are still going to offer the most compatible solution, and will do everything TC needs. Right, but Vista 64 isn't as bad as everyone make its out to be, unless your running old software, you shouldn't have a problem. The ATI Drivers worked fine for x64 with games, and i have had this PC for almost a year now. Having 4 gigs and 64 although is nice but not required, but will help in the long run. Unless you plan on replacing your PC in two years. Certainly.In my quick search I couldn't find anyone saying Sapphire are "good", i found people saying "OK" and "bad"... A review stands out as backing my arguments in this thread particularly well: http://it-review.net/index.php?option=com_...p;limitstart=12 In this they comment on an ATi based Sapphire card having heat, noise and compatibility issues, and suggest a nVidia based Leadtek card over it. But that of course is just one review, and one i picked to suit my recommendations... as Daejin said, u should check out a bunch more yourself :) Good advice also, and might save u a buck or two.

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You might be able to get a better Antec Power supply and case bundled together for the price. Dont cheap out on the power supply, 450 is bare minimum to ensure stable operation with your configuration and some companies will post wattage, but cant stability run at near or full capacity, especially when running dual channel memory, and your video card, having consistent voltage's to all components is most essential. People love to blame drivers, the OS, etc etc for stability issues, but the quality of the hardware is just as important if not more so. Corsair usually makes good memory, kingston is alright, but not the best. I find that asus motherboards are hit and miss however, some work great, some others dont, quality control seems to be a thorn in their side for a long time. I would do some research on your specific motherboard to ensure it doesn't have any issues. One thing you can look for in a motherboard is where the caps are(the big battery looking things) If all the big ones are placed all over the motherboard with no rhymn or reason, it is usually a sign of poor design. The biggest caps should all be near the CPU, memory, and voltage regulators for most stability. As for memory, 4Gig would bet alot better, but only if you have 64bit OS(Vista 64) xBSD, etc, simply because having 3 gigs would nullify your dual channel configuration. And 32 bit windows cant handle 4 gigs, let alone 3 very well without remapping. I havent had any issues with sapphire personally, but you should again research it. Also because your building it yourself, get anti static wrist band, or matt, or leave your PS plugged in(kinda dangerous) to ensure you are grounded while handling the memory, cpu, and motherboard. The prices you have listed are good, and 600 for a half descent PC is a good price. If i may suggest the ANTEC P180 is a good case for for water cooling because of the layout and extra space, but will likely break your budget. However, with this case you can run without water cooling and still have silent PC' however the video card you have chosen might be the nosiest part in the PC. I think sapphire uses refurbished hard drive motors for the fan because mine sounds like an old retro hard drive with the whine. And the CPU, you may want to reconsider because its a X2 5000+ the DRR speed will be 734mhz rather than 800, if you downgrade to the 65watt version of (amd 64 x2, 4600) part number ADO4600IAA5CU you will get the full 800mhz ram speed. Might save you a few bucks for roughly the same speed. Anyways good luck, just do your research, otherwise you should be okay with that configuration as you have it.

Good idea, even though i dont really play much, i remember suggesting such an idea awhile ago. I support the strike, why not? It will give everyone something else to do in the game.

Just so you know i have a ATI based card as well. Xpress 200M, i used to have a 8500 and the game worked fine. But it seems newer ATI cards just suck in this game for some reason. Game will hard lock up the computer. Unless i turn off pretty much everything related to enhancing the graphics. I highly dought it has to do with power problems, likely a incompatibility between El's implementation of OpenGL and XP's Ati drivers. This happened in both the old EL client and the most recent. As other people say, yes other 3d intensive applications work fine. I would like to know if anyone has a newer ATI card within the last year, that works perfectly in windows 2000.

I would like to add that i HAVE NOT seen or heard of any actions by the higher level RICH people that would warrant an attack. I am still surprised this thread is open, its time to let it die.

I intresting idea i had, while walking through a few maps is that for those bags that are part of the map, would it be possible to make those bags permanent? IE it would be good for contests and stuff. Person X dropped bag of whatever, and can't find it now. And no one would really know the difference between a regular drop and a stationary one unless they already knew about it.

The Top end price of Books is fine i agree with Phenic, and i would also add that the low end for most npc books is unbalanced. The idea is to try and have people sell the extra books to the npc? It wont happen because of the simple fact that having the price so low and the top end so high of a difference, it will create a new market for books, but not one that will help the game. It will only make the rich Richer, and the poor poorer. I would be really intrested to see the statistics on who use's the npc to sell books. 1st Example - Rich person with 50 books in storage - See's NPC's prices are dirt cheap - hmmm, ill advertise on market chan --> Selling Rare Books pm me --> Newb --> PM's Book seller> Hi i need Iron Mining --> Book Person> Sure great i will sell it for 800 --> Newb > Okay great thats a good deal, since its 1000 in shop, give me 20 minutes and ill harvest 800 gc. END Result 800 more gc to rich person 2nd Example - Rich Person with 50 books in storage - See's that NPC price for selling the book is 500. Hmm thats not a bad price to get for one book, ill sell to npc, instead of trying to find a buyer. End Result 500 More gc to rich person, and newb harvests 1000 gc, and buys the book from npc, thus ending the vicious cycle. Of course none of this matters, and no amount of npc adjustments will matter if there is way to many book drops from monsters. Book drops should be rare from monsters, and more gc drops instead to compensate the fighters. If someone is going to sell a rare book for 300-500gc, that might as well just translate directly into gc as a drop instead. Thus the fighter will still have to buy the fight books from shop, on most occasions.

Yes what i was referring to is that during the strike people get some of the efe out of the marketplace during the event. Which in turns makes less weapons/armor being made, which it turn drives up the price of items because they become more rare. I think efe as it is, is pretty much stable, with some occasions where people want to insist of buying them for 6k or less.

Strike is over according to lochnesslobster? Any union formed yet? Anyone planning anything?

This new book buyer is a insult. Most books even rare sell for less than 20gc and even much less than that. Whats the point of it? Is this supposed to be incentive to get rid of excess books? Yeah right, people are going to flipping quit this game, or just end up dropping books on the ground like has been happening already. If this is any indication of what the next major update is to be, say goodbye to alot of veterans of the game. Perhaps im making a hasty judgement, perhaps there is other book buyers that buy for more, but somehow i dought it. I highly recommended changing this before this game gets any more negative light it has on it, than it has already. Anyways thats my suggestion..

Thats fine for a few books, how about the other rare books that are 10-20gc to sell? Give it a month and the price will be slightly above the npc's suggested resale value. It happened with FE, and a majority of other products.

In the alchemists union we discussed when it first started on buying up extra essences in the market, our conclusion was it couldn't be done, too much gold coin to try to buy up the extra essences from people who won't support, and unfortunately it would be far worse to try and buy up the excess manufacturing items. I think the the key is to try and to slow down the amount of efe in the market, as well as ewe, serpent stones. Also the alchemists union will bring this up in meeting on friday, if we should stop supplying bars to the market until your strike is over. I do invite any manufacturers to come to the meeting. Friday the 10th, 7pm EDT/EST. It will be in MM marsh cave, in the semi-secret room. If you dont know it or can't arrange somehow to get to it then your out of luck. This is to prevent everyone from coming who doesn't even manufacture or newbs that just want to cause trouble. Peace.